Dear t,

Grace(not Law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sorry, I don't get what you get from this parable. For as James 1:23 notes the "natural" face is the reversed image beheld in a mirror; And once we've turned away from such contrary natural law, from the endless contention thereof natural (law) vs spiritual (law), from the reversed image vs the likeness, well then there is still also the comparison of spiritual (law) with spiritual (grace) to do, as if still the will of God (I will have mercy, and not sacrifice) to do; Since the promise notably comes after doing the will of God. And "Abraham" is notably among those in Heb 11 who "all died" and "received not the promise". So going to "Abraham's boosom" perhaps isn't as heavenly as many, deceived by many, think it is.

Or we could say once we become the new man of old/new, there is still the new and dead way vs the new and living way to sort out, especially in the third day. In which things are "allegory" & "mystery", even triple mystery: (i)of God, and (ii)of the Father, and (iii) of Christ in Col 2:2.

Or we could say once we become the better of two sorts of them noted in Heb 10:39, there is still the matter of them/us to sort out; noting God hath given "us" the victory, and it's "through Jesus Christ". Not to mention the Lord is longsuffering to "us-ward", which is akin to "you-ward", God-ward. So the higher exhortation is: come out from among "them", for as in Adam(them: Gen 5) all die. And all die is extinction, not salvation.

Or we could say once we become the better of two sorts of children compared in Mt 13 & Rom 9, there is still the matter of "be no more children" in Eph 4. For a child differeth nothing from a servant as long as he remains a child, of child/man.

Or we could say once we become the better of two sorts of servants in Rom 6, there is still the matter of "thou art no more servant, but a son", since "above a servant" is what's truly "free".

The "certain rich man" in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16: 19-31 is also described as a "fool" that is "not rich toward God" in the previous rich man parable of Luke 12:16-21. And fools notably sat in Moses' seat in Mt 23, along with hypocrites, vipers, and blind guides called the scribes and the Pharisees.

And since the "rich man" in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is notably "certain" about his riches, and notably attired in "purple and fine linen", the allegoric referrence is to the woman(church) seated on a beast(law) in Revelation 18 called Babylon the Great, also that great city where our Lord was crucified, which is as twice fallen as Babylon "is fallen, is fallen", to great of great<-greater<-greatest, or to Moses' law which was a "great terror" to all Israel.

Not to mention beggarly Lazarus notably goes to "Abraham's boosom" at his death, not unto God in "heaven" that is "higher than the heavens" on "high", where law law folk are "highminded" whether left or right; And highminded is among "unholy" things in 2Tim 3, which we are told: "from such turn away". And in Abraham's boosom there is no mercy obtainable for the rich man in torment, only more law law. But at "the throne of grace"(Heb 4:16) in heaven: higher than plural and divided heavens (far above the heavens), "mercy" is the "only" thing "obtain"-able. Perhaps because the God shew and shewdown thereof is purposed to shew who is the blessed and only Potentate, which His Grace is.

The "grace"(God) of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel

Hey, lots of Scriptural relationships in Daniel's post...enjoyed reading it.

I have a question...assuming [as I think it is perfectly reasonable to do] that both t's and Daniel's interpretations stand in some actual relationship to pure Truth, does the literal aspect of the parable melt away into nothingness or does truth reside there as well?

Peace.

Grace(not Law) unto you, and peace(not divisions),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

"We all are one" should "know" (if ye shall know the truth... shall make you free) of assuming things, to a*s-u-me makes a "divided" a*s out of both u and me.

"We are delivered from the law" should know grace and truth which came by "that JC is come" already has no relation ship(nor fellow ship) with Mosaic laws and lies (given by Moses); For what's right is not left except in a dark end mirror image is neither our likeness nor the end to endure unto in Holy Bible.

And we whom God hath not appt'd unto (law worketh) wrath should kNOW what's deemed "parable" or "allegory" should not be taken literal nor letter-all killeth all, but rather if it's notably written for our "learning", then perhaps we should "learn" from it. For example we could Mt 9:13 go figure and "learn what meaneth I will have mercy, and not sacrifice", is the stated "will of God" in both tesatments that the Christ part of Jesus Christ came to do (Lo, I come to do thy will O God), and notably did (Christ is the end of the law: Rom 10:4); Did even before the cross, where the first "finished" in John 17 is obviously winner take all the human "race", and he is our peace who hath abolished the law notably gave no "place" to the second "finished", because as James 1 notes about law imputed sin: sin, when "it is finished", brings forth death; Perhaps Noahic and Sodomic death to them all if any go there and stay there too long in such law imputed sin makes sinners all, none righteous, no, not one. "God is one"; And "we all are one", but not "one proselyte" such like "more the child of hell" than former "hypocrites, fools, vipers, and blind guides" who sat in "Moses' seat": Law Law (Mt 22 & 23), which if followed (rather than flushed as dung) can result in a gospel about a new beginning being the beginning of "sorrows" going world wide.

Let them, who'd be willing-ly ignorant, be ignorant; Let them all have "their end" shall be according to "their works" (2Cor 11) of Life + Death does NOT end with Life, and Saved + Destroyed afterward does NOT end with Saved. Let them be not allow'd to continue (the human race) by reason of death (Heb 7), if this is the dead end they lust after. It won't change the end of the shew and shewdown thereof already written. Not to mention they cannot be made, made perfect, without us, who notably go on from Heb 6:1 to Heb 13:25.

Let "us" (of them/us) go on to perfection:

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.

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Hey, lots of Scriptural relationships in Daniel's post...enjoyed reading it.

I have a question...assuming [as I think it is perfectly reasonable to do] that both t's and Daniel's interpretations stand in some actual relationship to pure Truth, does the literal aspect of the parable melt away into nothingness or does truth reside there as well?

Peace.

Hello Daniel,

Thanks for your response, but what is your answer to my original question: "does the literal aspect of the parable melt away into nothingness or does truth reside there as well?"

Not sure I followed you in your last post.

Dear Bernie,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Truth may reside in Truth + Lie, which is not The Truth, not All Truth; So when it comes to "I am the truth" it's all truth and no lie at all, as that God is all light and no darkness at all. For "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump". A little cancer us law will kill a whole body of grace, including the head of the body (the head of the woman is the man, and the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God) if all law law not removed in time.

A modern example of truth + lie is not all truth was ABC's Path to 9/11; Which 200,000 historians noted in writing to ABC's parent Disney: it was neither educational nor a docu-drama, rather imaginary and mocu-drama. So parent(Disney) got child(ABC) to change the intro; But admitting they took licence to lie didn't appease a Clinton group said American people deserve better. So the whole show was cancelled since a little leaven leavened the whole.

God(Grace) cannot lie(law) nor die(law) are "two immutable things". So "ye shall know the truth ... shall make you free"; Notably makes a "you" (made perfect) of "ye" (do err), and thereby makes you "free" of believing any lie(law) of surely die(law) still attempting to reside with grace and truth came by that Jesus Christ is come.

I think I was clear in saying no "parable" or "allegory" should be taken literal or letter-all; since "the letter(law) killeth, but the spirit(grace) giveth life". And by the curse of the law, the letter(law) killeth all. As in Adam(them) "all die". By the using of ordinances "all perish". If we all are one, and one died for all, then were "all dead". Hell-o: all die, all perish, all dead, is extinction rather than salvation. So the exhortation is to "come out from among them", even them who 'take licence', via "false" liberty ("the law" of liberty), to lie.

The truth: "grace is sufficient". What "grace is sufficient" meaneth is no law req'd; But even adding mention of law gives "place" to law: sin and death.

So Paul The Apostle notes, about "fellowship" in 2Cor 6:14, righteousness(grace and truth) has no fellowship with unrighteousness(law and lie), since they are as contrary as light and darkness; Which cannot co-exist any more than grace and law can co-exist, or mercy and sacrifice can co-exist, or peace and division can co-exist. Any "law worketh wrath" added to "grace is sufficient" makes grace "no more grace". Any sacrifice added to "merciful" makes merciful no more mercy full. Any division added to peace makes peace no more peace full. POINT being: any death added to life makes it no more eternal life.

When light comes, darkness flees(vanishes). The more light(grace and truth), the more darkness(law and lie) fade to nothing more than a counter part in a shew, notably the "contrary part" biblically called "their part" of "their part" vs "your part". The more light(understanding) comes, the more darkness(ignorance) flees(vanishes), til it's all light and no darkness at all; all understanding and no misunderstanding at all: none lost in 100/100 sheep found, nor any son lost(dead) in 2/2 found(alive), as noted in Luke 15. So no mourning in "rejoice".

So we have God said: "let there be light(only)". And we have Solomon said: "with all thy getting, get understanding", which results in thy head (the head of the woman is the man, and the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God) being crowned with "grace glory", not both grace + law glories. For the glory of God(Grace & Truth) is grace & truth(only); For both grace + law (truth + lie thereof) is an oxyMORON such as life + death has a BAD ending.

Hence, "the end" of the God shew and law vs grace shewdown thereof, which we are told to "endure unto to be saved(only)", not both saved + destroyed afterward as those who mixed grace + law is as mixing life + death does NOT end with life; So "the end" God declared from the beginning (let there by light) has only mention of grace, with you all, begins with you.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.

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Hello Daniel,

Thanks for your response, but what is your answer to my original question: "does the literal aspect of the parable melt away into nothingness or does truth reside there as well?"

Not sure I followed you in your last post.

Brother Dan, The parable, or story, of Lazarus and the rich man is a literal story of the flesh passing away and a spiritual story of who we are living on past this educational play put on by our Father.

There are two laws- the law of the spirit-which is life in Christ Jesus

and the law of sin, which brings death.

With the mind we serve the law of the spirit, with the flesh the law of sin.

You can't escape either. Your flesh will die, and who you really are, spirit, will live.

You can deny law all you want to, but it is what kills the flesh, and what saves the spirit.

If you don't want to believe that law exist, fine, but you should try denying the law of gravity, then try to fly off your porch. After you get out of the hospital, please tell me if your denying the law of gravity nullified it.

There is the law of the spirit, which is life in Christ Jesus, and there is no way you can escape it, no matter how much you deny it or don't believe it, your mind is the only thing affected by your belief, not the reality of truth.

All live unto God, his law provides it, all flesh is dead unto God, his law provides that also. So therefore, no flesh can glory.

So, therefore, peace unto you, and grace, from God the Father, and from his son Jesus Christ (for those of you who are superstitious I did not say, 'Christ Jesus').

t

Dear t,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There's nothing literal about a parable, which is allegoric. Eg: the field mentioned in one parable is the world. There is, however, a spiritual moral to be learned from "allegory", which is also "mystery", as noted over 20 times in the NT.
http://www.godshew.org/Allegory.htm

You seem to be stuck on two laws, think yourself right, even righteous, via the better of such good/better Rom 8 law law. But before Rom 8:2 we have in Rom 7:6 flat stating "we are delivered from the law"; And after Rom 8:2 we have Rom 9:31 flat out stating those who diligently tried to be righteous by the law all failed to attain it, obviously since there is no righteousness in such lefteousness. Not to mention we have two laws noted in Mt 22:36-40, which flat out states the second(law) is like the first(law), and in Rom 8 law law the first is sin and death.
http://www.godshew.org/TwainShew4.htm#Laws

So the life in Christ Jesus, of the Spirit (of error: the antichrist spirit mentioned in 1John4), is indeed life, but it's life + death(added), via grace + law(added). Not to mention CJ is mirrorly reverse of JC, and JC is flat out stated as the only foundation laid to build on. Both peace with God and eternal salvation are notably "through Jesus -> Christ", which ends with "Christ": "the end of the law" (Romans 10:4). Paul speaks of both CJ and JC, but always clarifies he is an apostle of JC. Paul also opens and closes epistles with JC.
http://www.godshew.org/ChristJesus.htm
God given victory is "through" Jesus -> Christ
http://www.godshew.org/through.htm

Every good mystery has lots of twists to it. And of the two options noted: "escape" and "no escape", escape is notably via "give more earnest heed" to what's been said: Hebrews.
http://www.godshew.org/Hebrews3.htm

As for the Lazarus parable, mention of "torment" should ring a bell about "fear hath torment" in 1John, and about God is love being perfect love (Mt 5:48; 1John 4:1 , perfected love having no fear at all. That God is light having no darkness at all. The God of all grace is grace having no law at all. Being perfect(Mt 5:4 is also merciful(Lk 6:36), and mercy full (James 3) is mercy having no sacrifice at all (Ps 40:6; Ps 51:16; Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13; Mt 12:7; Heb 10), which is grace having no law at all (Heb 10), or having no fault (Heb .

But "comparing spiritual things (laws) with spiritual (grace)" is notably comparing "spiritual" with "spiritual", not natural law with spiritual law. Those in natural/spiritual Adams are law law, but self righteously partial to the 2nd law, and also seem to also believe life + death(added) ends with life, even the eternal sort. To them it is said: search the scriptures, for in them(Adam: Gen 5) ye(do err) think ye have eternal life.

t, law is mortal of mortal/immortal: 1Cor 15, whether a 1st or 2nd law (another law = evil concupiscence);
http://www.godshew.org/AnotherLaw.htm
http://www.godshew.org/Concupiscence.htm

Try comparing two Gods:
God in "heaven": "higher than the heavens"... Grace Us
God on "high" in divided "heavens"... Awful Lawful
http://www.godshew.org/TwoGods.htm

Law had an expiry date: "fulness of the time": Gal 4.
http://www.godshew.org/ShewBread9.htm#Expired

t, this morning I had two dumps, as if to dump both laws of law law, so my day would be more grace us.

God did not even send his Son till law expired: Gal 4; And God did not send his Son to condemn (law) the world: Jn 3:17, but rather than through him (through Jesus -> Christ) the world might be saved(graced; And notably saved(delivered) from the law: Romans 7:6, as if answered prayer: deliver us from evil: Mt 6:13.

So endure unto to the end to be saved: saved(only) by grace(only), rather than saved + destroyed after by grace + law, as noted in Jude 5, which happened to all them who followed Moses. Numbers gives the accounting. Not one of those saved out of Egypt got to enter, not even Moses. Selah.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.

DM