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Re: Re: Escape (for all) -vs- Rapture (for some)

so Daniel,okay youv'e ''got it'my question too you,is=will you,die physically?
some Universalists,''manifest sons of God''
seem to think,they will never DIE?

Re: Re: Re: Escape (for all) -vs- Rapture (for some)

Hi Al,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ.

God [as] a Spirit (one), cannot die.
But for clarity, God cannot lie either.

So, of spirits, err and truth, one has to die.
Lest "we all are one" be an eternal oxy-MORON.

Son of God: also couldn't be holden of death.
And for further clarity, "God is not a man".
So the Son "of God" is not the Son "of Man".
Manifested sons also as manifested oxy-morons.
So one of two sons also has to die, or repent.
For God is not a man that he should lie,
Nor Son of Man that he should repent (change).

Are ya seeing it's an allegory, with a moral.
If two contrary things are trying to co-exist,
one has to die, or repent (change) to the other,
lest what eternally exists be an eternal oxy-MORON.

Bible mentions 2 Holies: Holy Ghost & Holy Spirit.
But one is merciless, the other one is "merciful".
So unless & until one dies, it's a Holy Holy Bible.
But on the cover it says it's only a "Holy Bible".
And inside it says there is one "only Potentate",
Which JC came to "shew", notably "in his times".

Bible mentions 2 Testaments: Old & New Testaments.
Also requires dead testator for a testament to be of force, else while testator lives, it's of no force.
Perhaps dead testator of NT is law, else no grace.
Bible also says what's "old", is "ready to vanish".
Solomon says OT "all vanity and vexation of spirit".
So until one dies, or changes, old frustrates new.
Same with left/right sides, left frustrates right.
Perhaps law changed, from unjust judge to witness.
And if law be witness against itself, it's runious.

It's all quite allegory-ic, having a moral.
God cannot lie. Allegory: Grace cannot law.
Moral: Grace is sufficient (no law req'd).

That is why all these have one thing in common:
- the NT (majority of it written by Paul)
- Pauline epistles (having a conclusion)
- Hebrews (a mini bible itself, by Paul)
- Revelation (Uncovering of Jn & JC, by Paul)
- Holy Bible containing Old & New Testaments
They all end with: Grace with you all. Amen.

But for clarity, and since God (His Grace) is notably "excepted" (exempt) from the God shew,
for God will not put His Grace under his feet,
as it's a crown of glory that goes on His head,
also a name above every name, and to be hallowed,
and since that God (His Grace) cannot lie nor die,
not to mention that God: all light and no darkness,

The Holy Bible containing O & N Ts ends with:
"The grace of our Lord JC with you all. Amen."

Re: No escape (for them all) -vs- Escape (for us all)

Three Wishes: Grace Mercy Peace.

The Bible is allegoric: Gal 4:24. Yet the reality of such allegory is plainly "no escape" for "them": 1Thess 5:3, and because of what they say: Peace and safety (Grace and law, safety in law);

Rather it's "destruction" for "them all": Lk 17:27-30 (all them looking for Son of Man to return, who has but one thing planned for "them all": "destruction"), and notably for both of two sorts of them, both the goats and sheep of left and right sides, both sorts of children, both sorts of servants, of three things, and as if of three ways, the third way being "the way" a child should go, by going on to perfection:

1. Them: who draw back to perdition: dead
2. Them: who believe to saving of the soul
3. Us: God hath given "us" the victory (escape)

1. Goats: left of left/right (destruction)
2. Sheep: right of left/right (destruction)
3. Go on unto perfection (above such left/right)

1. Children of flesh (children of the wicked)
2. Children of God (children of the kingdom)
3. Be no more children (put away childish things)

1. Servants of sin
2. Servants of righteousness
3. Thou art no more servant, but a son

1. Law: of sin and death
2. Law: of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
3. Ye are not under law, but under grace

1. Broad Way... always fails (ye do err, alway)
2. Narrow Way... fails many who do not go on to
3. More Excellent Way: charity "never faileth"

Them who claim their narrow way is the be all and end all, who only want to be right to make others wrong, who don't realize Christ Jesus is the reverse of Jesus Christ similar to Dog is the reverse of God, may also bend over and kiss their little divided cheri bums bye bye for being so law law.

For as Jonah said in the belly (midst) of the great fish: "they that observe lying vanities (laws) forsake their own mercy (grace)". Overshadowing the mercy seat with law wings out-stretched to both ends from both ends of such left/right law law is what two Cheribums did in Exodus; Which is why(?) God said: I will commune with you "above" the mercy seat.

Never faileth is "greatest" of "three" things:
1. Great: Moses' law great, but a "great terror"
2. Greater: John the Baptist: law/JC: grace
3. Greatest: "Grace with you all. Amen."

Nobody gets from twice fallen Babylon the "great" to twice risen "greatest" without going thru the trueth "greater" one of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. Hint: John the Baptist got beheaded for accusation and condemnation of a king; But JC does not accuse: Jn 5:45 nor was the Son of God sent to condemn: Jn 3:17.

By all means first get it right of left/right, take the narrow way of broad/narrow ways; but then go on, above & beyond being childish, being right to make others wrong, above such left/right sides war where it's all right and no left (behind) at all; all light and no darkness at all; all grace and no law at all; all mercy and no sacrifice at all; all peace and no war at all. For Christ of Jesus Christ is not only the end of the law, but the end of the law for righteousness of such lefteousness vs righteousness.

The "grace" of our Lord "Jesus Christ" with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
www.godshew.org

Re: Re: No escape (for them all) -vs- Escape (for us all)

ummmm,[DAN] my question,,,WAS lemmee see,okay as PAUL,said=tho my outer man perisheth,my inner man is renewed daily......
question=will you[DAN]'be changed=get a new BODY,as in=dead old body,thenresurected?

Re: Re: Re: No escape (for them all) -vs- Escape (for us all)

Hi (again) Al,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ummmm [Al], my answers to your questions are designed to get "you" to think and reason for yourself, and not be dependent on me or anyone else to think or reason for you; Or simply to grow up, beyond both sorts of "ye" do err because "ye" don't know (yet), which is to say forgive both sorts of "them", because them who oppose themselves "know not" what they do:

1. Ye do err, alway
2. Ye shall know the truth: shall make "you" free
3. You (You-ward), is the way a child should go

1. Them: who draw back to perdition
2. Them: who believe... and "go on" to
3. Us: God which hath given "us" the victory

Above and beyond a natural and soul-ish Admamic Childish-adult (man) is the Spiritual Adult (man), the quickening "spirit" of such soul and spirit, or Christ: the end of the law... of two "one man" scenarios oft allegorically portrayed in Bible:

Genesis 1:26 (Let us make man, one man, of)
(i) in our image (before, of before/after)
(ii) after our likeness (after, of before/after)

Romans 5
(i) by one man: sin & death via law... dead end
(ii) by one man: eternal life via grace & truth

1Cor 15:
(i) Adam: a living "soul" (earthy Lord)
(ii) Christ: quickening "spirit" (heavenly Lord)

The word of God divides even soul & spirit assunder, being "sharper" than any "twoedged" sword: Heb 4:12;

Which is allegorically to say (for such things, or both covenants, are "allegory": Gal 4): His 'grace' is smarter than such Rom 8:2 'law law'; all three being "spiritual":

1. Law(spiritual): of sin & death
2. Law(spiritual): of the Spirit of life in CJ
3. Grace(spiritual): neither of Rom 8:2 law law

"Ye" (don't know yet) are not under the law,
but under grace (told to those "bewitched").
If "ye" had gone "you-ward" of ye/you, to knowing,
then such "bewitched" would not have ever happened.
If "them" who believe, had went on to "us" who know,
there'd be no more "them" who "know not" to forgive.

The Lord (now that Spirit) is longsuffering to "us-ward". Why? So none perish. For the Son of Man [the Destroyer] has one thing planned for "them all", both sorts of left/right them, both scape goats and dumb sheep: "destruction" (Lk 17:27-30; 1Thes 5:3). So to avoid the "no escape" sort of "destruction" which comes upon "them" because of what they say, or to "escape" [law worketh] wrath (which God hath not appointed "us" unto), be neither sort of them folk.

For as Paul said in Heb 2, concerning "escape", it's via "give more earnest heed" to what's been said, in such things are an allegory with a moral, and a mystery [with lots of spin doctor twists] to solve; The objective being to be aware of all the wiles and snares of devilish law law running to & fro earth.

In other words, Al, grow up beyond Natural Adulthood (Childish-adult Law-law: sin & death thereof: dead end thereof) to Spiritual Adulthood, which is even beyond (Jesus => Christ) => go on to the "fulness of Christ", to "perfection" thereof; Which is to say know-ing is above and beyond faith-ing and hope-ing.

Folk only hope for what they don't have, not yet, such as "the end is not yet" in Mt 24, and the end is not yet because "this gospel" therein is notably the "beginning", of such begin/end, of "sorrows". The end, of sorrows, evidently comes after, via "that gospel" of this/that gospels, "also" goes global. As law went global, so grace & truth also go global. Where (law imputed) sin (dead end thereof) abounded, grace (truth, life thereof) did much more abound.

1. Faith
2. Hope: for what ya don't have yet (end is not yet)
3. Charity: "never fails" (endures to "the end")

For "charity" is notably the "greatest" of "three" things, and that is why(?) charity "never faileth", being "a more excellent way" than broad and narrow ways, since the narrow way notably only "leadeth" unto life (as JC the Saviour leadeth fwd to God our Saviour: Grace; but CJ [the reverse: Destroyer] leadeth bwd to God our Destroyer: Law), and notably only unto "eternal" life of temporal/eternal life by "go on" to "perfection", as going on to "the way" a "child" should "go", as "the third" of three things:

1. Children of flesh: the "child" of hell(law)
2. Children of God: more the "child" of hell?
3. Be no more "children": Eph 4

The way, a child (both sorts), should go?

1. Go ye & learn what meaneth Hos 6:6 (Mt 9:13)
2. Go on, unto perfection (Heb 6:1)
3. Perfection: Grace with you all. Amen. (Heb 13)

1. Broad Way: old way
2. Narrow Way: new way, only "leadeth" to life
3. More Excellent Way: the new and "living" way

1. Great
2. Greater ('thru' him, world 'might be' saved)
3. Greatest of 3 things never fails: all saved

Only by "the third" of three things do none perish.
For giving place to devils and cures, is child-ish.
For both such give place to childish law <=> law.

1. I cast out devils
2. I do cures today and tommorow
3. The third [day, and way] I shall be perfected

Baby-lon the "great" <= greater <= greatest, is twice fallen (is fallen, is fallen), bwd or dwn to "great" of three things. So it reasons reconciliation (unto God) is twice fwd or up, to great => greater => "greatest" of 3 things, which never fails, by first going "through" JC (to C of J => C being the "greater" of such great/greater things). But what never fails is "greatest" of "three" things. So also go on from (J=>C)=> to "the fulness of C".

Howbeit the natural is first (before) and the spiritual is "after" (second): the first man was a living "soul" (soulish), the Lord from heaven is a quickening "spirit" (1Cor 15).

So we have two imperfect/perfect parts to sort out in such old/new (law/grace) testaments. But the God shew thereof such a twain shew (purposed to shew the only Potentate thereof is grace in his [law/grace] times), is actually a two part shew about a third part; Or going beyond what's right of left/right to what's above such left/right sides war, where it's all right and no left(behind) at all, or peace void of such war; Just as that God is all light and "no darkness at all", as is "the God of all grace" notably "all grace", which is 'no law at all'.

For if the NT finds fault with the OT, but was contained therein as one of twain (cut out references to OT in NT and you'll have a shredded meaningless mess), then in finding fault with the OT, the NT actually also finds fault with istelf thereby.

So, the third part, of a two part shew about a third part, is to flush the source of fault finding, which childishly and unknowingly condemns itself thereby. And so it is clarified in the NT, beyond any shadow of doubt in the OT, law is the root source of fault-finding, and accusation, and condemnation, and oppression, and sin, and evil such as evil concupiscence, and infirmities, and sacrifices, and sin consciousness, witch gives place to law: sin and death; Which God did NOT send his Son to do (fault-find, accuse, "condemn", impute sin, oppress, make sick, kill): Jn 3:17; Nor does that God in Christ do: 2Cor 5:19 (To wit, that God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself did NOT impute sin).

Where no law, no sin (transgression): Rom 4:15; When no law, no sin imputed. If no sin imputed, then sin cannot bring forth death to anyone. Such is life.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
www.godshew.org