Hi Ray, and you all,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ.

Quick answer (since ya demanded the happy meal): Perhaps what you're not aware of Ray, is it is now the "third day", which is also the seventh day when counting days in Jn 1 & 2:1; And practice time (six days) is over. So both fence sitting and Humpty Dumpty wall sitting time has expired for all. It's now decision time for all, and final shewdown time, time to play the game of life OR death for real; for both sides now has already been played out for all to see which is witch of twain. Yet, what remains to be seen is the important matter of all die OR all live (destruction or existence), to be ACTUALIZED.

And law doesn't like lukewarmness any more than grace does. Law will knock ya off yer Humpty Dumpty wall and stomp ya into an early grave for it. Grace will also shake ya, till what cannot be shaken remains. So, pick a side (but neither left nor right now, but rather above[risen with Christ] such or not above [not risen with Christ] such), and let the final game begin and end, rather quickly (fast fwd vs fast bwd). Note: begin and end of all Pauline espistles "grace", but begin says the Lord JC, end says our Lord JC.

Even your President, who has foolishly taken the side of "sacrifice" and "rule of law", has put forth the 'ultimatum' (last offer, last chance): you're either with us(USA) OR against us(USA); and in his latest inaugerall speech, flat out said he's gonna ram his rule of law down the throat of the whole world in four years. Problem with subtle such like is, either way you're a terrorist. For in Deut 34:12 we find Mosaic rule of law, sacrifice thereof, was a "great terror" to all, Moses the terror-ist leader (law giver: Jn 1:17). So the exhortation in 2Tim 3:5 is "from such turn away", rise above utter folly of a Mosaic mercy seat being covered up by both Cheribums.

Hence most of the world, in general, perceive GWB II as the most DANGEROUS man on the planet; and his country (America) as a fear mongering lying bully.

And bullying, even in schools nowadays, is not considered to be 'normal' behaviour, not even among 'children'. Even evangelical Frank Peretti will tell ya that much truth in his book: The Wounded Spirit: "It's never ok to victimize (abuse, sacrifice, law, bully) anyone, and shouldn't be considered normal, not even among children". Selah.

No doubt the American people, by and large, are as children in understanding, for they not only let such as GWB II become president (leader) once (shame on him), but twice (shame on me); even after it was 'proven' to the 'whole world' he was lying. Many of his top dogs are now fleeing, not wanting to scape goats of such like unto (division-all) Son of man, who kills them all: both sheep and goats, if the truth out be known from Lk 17:27,29,30.

For albeit Sadman Insane did some cruel things, jailed and killed many oppossers; But the interesting thing is he did such with American-supplied weaponry, including chemicals witch kill. And (brave) America had to rally imposition of unfair and unjust sanctions on his country for 10 yrs prior to having the guts to take him on; and even then not for humanitarian reasons, but for the oil. Go figure. The real number of dead, including women and children, from all such like, is millions (not just 100,000).

So, is it better to kill millions with sanctions and smart bombs, than to kill much fewer with older American techniques and weapons? Is your killing any better, or perhaps "worse" than his? For as hypocrites in Mt 23 were under the law, proselytes thereof were not under the law, making the proselytes "worse" (Mt 12;45; Mt 23;15; 2Pet 2:20): "MORE the CHILD of hell", who go about imputing sin for the HELL of it, and for love of $, as those who also sit in Moses' seat: law; when such law and seat thereof are both already abolished. Perhaps such a mosaic seat is the seat of Satan, and of many anti-Christs, and of silly women, and of children tossed to and fro by winds of doctrine. So the exhortation is "be no more children", grow up!

What challenge is there for adults to do a kindergarden puzzle? None! Hence the biblical allegoric mystery, written aforetime for our learning, has some very subtle things invovled, lots of twists near the end. So ya better get to know which is witch of everything twain, or fail the final exam (Revelation), which has a pass mark of 100%; And because "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump".

To think law folk, or even lukewarm grace folk, are welcome in heaven, is as silly as thinking the black plague is welcome in heaven. I think not. I think all such (we all are one) are quarantined on earth till we all are one get it: understanding, and understand God said what he meant, and meant what he said.

All the lying, crying, and dying in the world won't change his will: "I will mercy, and not sacrifice", the mystery of which is "made known unto us": Eph 1. God's not some unjust judge who can be hounded to change what's plainly immutable x 2 and proven by two immutable things: God cannot lie(law) nor die(law).

For the longer answer, see the next post.

As for what's winner take all in the final shewdown, the end is already written, plainly tells us all; Not to mention it clarifies such winner take all is the "grace" of "Jesus Christ" (not Christ Jesus: the reverse of such); also that "you all" begins with "you":

The "grace" of "our" Lord "Jesus Christ" with "you all". Amen.

Good Morning, Daniel.

A very interesting conversation, indeed. Yet, in truth (not offense) I will continue to ask questions and point out things that "seem" too hard to understand (just seems it could be made easier). OK?

The first thing that struck me as offensive was that shame should be on the American people for electing GWBII, not just once, but twice.

I can tell you in all honesty, this American did NOT elect Bush. I didn't vote for him in either election and think of him as a misinformed, lying tyrant intent on doing WHATEVER necessary to bring about his legacy (make a name for himself). So, do not accuse ME of causing this mess. I was part of half this country that did NOT want him in office. This is the generality that bothers me.

You said, "Perhaps what you're not aware of Ray, is it is now the "third day", which is also the seventh day when counting days in Jn 1 & 2:1..."

I suppose there is some allegory here, but I can say from just reading the words, I must jump through tremendous gymnastics to come to an understanding that you want. How can the 3rd day and the 7th be the same? Why would I WANT to count days, to begin with?

Why is NOW the final decision time for all (regarding law vs grace)? How do you know this?

Seems to me that the world has been playing the law vs grace game since its inception, especially noticeable when and after Jesus came and went. Jesus spoke about this quite often. So did Paul.

Are you under the impression that the world is in any OTHER shape than what God wants right now? If so, how so? Do you think that Jesus set to stop law vs grace with his life, death and ressurection? If so, why didn't it work?

I can almost read into your writings that the fate of the entire world's existence is dependent upon what the rest of the world does (all or nothing: all live or all become extinct). Are you saying that my life or death depends upon what the rest of the world does? Where is the Almighty in such a scenario?

Do you think, Daniel, that people like GWB are the way they are because that is EXACTLY what God wants of them at this point in time? Do you think that God had Saul do Saul's stuff, then changed him to Paul to do Paul's stuff? Who did what?

No, I do not agree with GWB or what has happened in Iraq. However, I can believe that he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. This may prove to be as detrimental to us as you suggest, but isn't that the way God works (Pharoah and Saul/Paul come to mind)? On a personal note, it bothers me when I am "equated" with GWB, simply because I live in the USA.

GWB is the world's most dangerous man? Surely you are being facetious. Yes, he is evil and seemingly, stupidly gullible, but nothing in comparison to some monsters in control out there. And, by association, All "Americans" are fear-mongering bullies (I must say, why do you consider me this?)? This was one of my points: that simply by being an American, I am the same as those who control what is happening. Too many generalizations, IMO.

But, you make a great point about his crew seperating themselves. If I had been duped by him in the past, I would quickly make a exit, as soon as possible. But of course, to out-right come out and say something is the death to an individuals career and livelihood.

I wonder, do you feel that GWB does any more than what God wants and has him doing? In others words, who is in control: GWB or God?

Also, since we both agree that we should have never gone in to Iraq, in the first place: what to do now?

Moving on: What is "heaven" to you? It seems a "place" since you said one is (or isn't) welcome. Just wondering.

"I think all such (we all are one) are quarantined on earth till we all are one get it: understanding, and understand God said what he meant, and meant what he said. "

Does this mean reincarnation? If not, what happens to those that died before this "we all are one get it:"?


"As for what's winner take all in the final shewdown, the end is already written, plainly tells us all; Not to mention it clarifies such winner take all is the "grace" of "Jesus Christ" (not Christ Jesus: the reverse of such); also that "you all" begins with "you":"

Case in point. Mental gymnastics, three or four web pages open, and a whole lot of guess work to understand what you are saying... to no avail.

So, as with most others I come in to contact, where is it that I am failing to understand? What insufficiency is it that I lack? Usually, at this point, I am shown where I have a short-coming and the other doesn't.

No offense, but it just seems so difficult to maneuver. Shouldn't it be easier?

Raymond

Hi Ray and you all,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ray, conversation is not what I'm looking for. I can get endless conversation on any old forum. It's conversion, reconciliation unto God, agreement with God, rather than a covenant with death and agreement with hell that I am looking for. And 'global' reconciliation, not individual; for we all are one, and none can exclude self from we all are one... as you do, in saying you're not accountable for GWB II.

We all are one are all grounded, quarantined, till we all learn to be accountable for every word and deed, and not only for individual words and deeds, but for those of all brethren (the 'reason' we are told to admonish and exhort fellow brethren); For "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump". If any add law to "grace is sufficient" it makes grace "no more grace". And no more grace speaks of grace + law, which is as life + death = a dead end (exctinction).

Even a doctor will tell ya a little cancer has to be removed in time, lest it kill the whole body, including the head of the body. Operation of God?

You seem to still want to play the blame game, of accusing others and excusing self. It won't work. For the moment you accuse any, you condemn yourself, and all the KofG within you. Read Jn 5:45 to see JC did not (would not) accuse any, but did reveal who the "accuser of the brethren" was: Mosaic law.

You keep saying you "don't" get it, for it's "too hard", and thereby say you won't put away child to be man. So it seems (to me) you're really saying you 'won't' get it, won't even try, cause it is too hard; which speaks (to me) not just of ignorance, but "willing ignorance". Converted Peter notes this is what caused the first world of twain to "perish".

You arrived at Godshew with: "I like the site". Now you are becoming antagonistic, rather than aware. I'm not your babysitter, nor your teacher or preacher. If you want my one line summation of it all, then it's simply "grace is sufficient" (no law req'd). And as the Bible says: if you lack wisdom, "ask God", and do so "nothing wavering", which simply means be decisive, or else you'll get NOTHING from God, who isn't into idle or foolish 'conversation' either, but into global reconciliation. It's not optional. And the "kingdom" of God is not a democracy. And the word of the king eternal and immortal thereof is not open to debate, but is an ever open door to reconciliation.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, not into war, nor any silly sides shew, but rather into peace, the "he is our peace" (already) sort, only thing remaining then is y(our) awareness of it, and how it happened. And how it happened is also revealed: he abolished law.

I'm not picking a fight Ray, won't even go there (to I fought the law and the law won); But I am plainly saying: f-ck you and the horse you rode in on, iff the rider of such a night mare is named: death, and the holy kiss you're trying to give me is the kiss of death. None for me thanks. And if need be: return to sender. If any man be ignorant, let him (it will only provide more evidence of what's evident: that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God). And if any bring another gospel, let him be accursed (Gal 1).

God does not compromise (Grace does not law), and because of it God cannot lie(law) nor die(law). When the time came for the end of law (law had an expiry date: a "fulness of the time" for such part one of a two part shew about a "third part": Rev 12:4), then God sent His Son, but NOT to condemn(law) the world: Jn 3:17, nay, NOR to accuse(law) anyone: Jn 5:45, nay; But rather that through him ("through" J=>C: the end of the law, once and for all) the world might be "saved" (not saved + destroyed in Jude 5). Saved from what? Grace + law = life + death = a dead end.

No such dead end in my Bible Ray, for the end of the God shew (purposed to "shew the only Potentate", and notably in his times)... the end that is already written, and it's notably also written "aforetime" for y(our) "learning": Rom 15:4; Well Ray, FYI it makes no mention of l-w (d-ath) at all:

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles

Well, Daniel.

Here it goes. The same old bullshit.

You don't want to have a conversation, yet you ask people to your freaking discussion forum. Just more bullshit.

Daniel, you don't know me and apparently have no spiritual discernment whatsoever, if you think I am becomming antogonistic.

As you say, there are a million and one bullshit websites out there. All of them expouse some "revelation" and they all, like yours, fail at explaining anything. Just mimbo jumbo.

Now, I'm being antgnonistic, because it is apparent that you are just another of a multitude who want people to listen, while not even trying to make it easy enough to understand.

Just another bullshit prophetical idiot.

Now, goodbye, Daniel. Have fun "converting" your own stupid assed self. Dumbass.

Raymond

Hi Ray,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Funny, when we were face to face (on email), your comment was you liked my 'no nonsense' approach. Now you're shcoolyard name calling as you 'flee'.

Rather childish! Not to mention so soon off ended, showing all your true nature, and perhaps the idiot, since you're the only one saying "I don't get it".

As I've told you, it's not just that you don't get it: understanding, but that you won't get it, won't be decisive, still fence sitting and Humpty Dumpty wall sitting, when there's ample evidence presented in the Bible, also in history books, also in current events, to make a law or grace decision. As I also told you, the Bible says if you lack wisdom "ask God", and it clarifies do it "nothing wavering" (no fence sitting hypocrisy, but actual truth seeking). And it also clarifies dblemindead folk get NOTHING; so why BLAME me, Ray, if you got NOTHING? Why not realize your problem is you're being dblemindead?

Hello? Is anyone there, or am I speaking into a vacuum? The Bible always CLARIFIES, then even CLARIFIES more, till it becomes crystal CLEAR what the problem is. Being dblemindead is oxyMORONic! For contrary things cannot coexist in peace. And he is our peace, who hath abolished the law. Hello!

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
www.godshew.org