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Bottom of Terror Barrel: Source of it all is law.

Three Wishes: Grace Mercy Peace.

People around the world are wondering if there is a bottom to the seemingly bottomless barrel of terror as explosions and mini wars have become daily occurances around the world, producing an epidemic of "fear hath torment"... frustrating as hell.

What many fail to realize is Moses, by his own admission, was a great terror-ist to all Israel in Deuteronomy 34:12. His law was so Horeb-bull it even made Moses exceedingly fear and quake in Hebrews 12. Hence the feedback of those under law was sh-it in Dt, for they could not bear to hear such accusation and condemnation which also threatened to kill all; For by the curse of the law if any failed to keep all the law all the time (to a 1,000 generations: 40,000 yrs) then all were accursed by such grace + law is as blessed + cursed = accursed (a bad ending for all).

What many, even many christians, fail to realize is law is not only the source of sin (Romans 5:13) and the source of infirmities (Hebrews 7) and the source of wrath (Romans 4:15), but also a ministration of death (1Cor 15:56; 2Cor 3; Jam 1:15; etc).

Law produces wars, not peace:
(the evidence does not lie, and is irrefutable)

The Christ of Jesus Christ: the end of the law, he is our peace; for he hath abolished the law, the source of sin, the source of infirimities, terror, and death.

Law produces infirmities, not wellness: Heb 7.

Law worketh wrath, vengeance, and hatred, etc.

God hath NOT appointed us to wrath (law): 1Th 5:9.
God was NEVER please with sacrifice and offering, which is "of the law": Ps 40; Hos 6; Mt 9; Heb 10.
Law can NEVER make the comers thereunto perfect: Heb 10.

You canNOT establish grace without taking away law:

You canNOT spoil the hse of sin without first binding the strong man of such a hse (law is the strength of sin: 1Cor 15;56) of such a hse: Matthew 12:29; Mark 3:27.

Is anyone there, or am I speaking into a vacuum?

Peace with God and God given victory over sin and death is "through" Jesus => Christ, and the Christ thereof is "the end of the law", which had an expiry date. He "is" our peace. Yet if people give place to "law worketh wrath", they also give place to sin worketh infirimities and death; And upon all, for "there is no respect of persons with God" and "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump".

So, just a little cancer has to be removed in time for any body to live, so also the "operation" of God removes law in time lest the whole body perish... and from willing ignorance (according to converted Peter).

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles

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Grace unto you, and peace,
from god our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

For Christ's sake people (Eph 4), it's NOT <=BC, but AD=> now, of then/now, and such a time as AD=> goes fwd=> to us-ward, NOT <=bwd to them-ward... which converted Peter says is the world wherein all perished (which is extinction, not be) due to willing ignorance, which is not bliss, but rather such grace + law = life + death is destructive (dead end) to the point of "no escape" (1Thes 5:3) for any of "them".

It's an allegory, written aforetime for our learning, and has a moral: "my grace is sufficient for thee".

The Lord (now "that Spirit" of this/that Spirits) is longsuffering to us-ward (not them-ward):

It is no wonder there is an ever increasing cry for just us: http://www.godshew.org/ShewBread2.htm#justus

For of them/us, in such a then/now God shew about time past/last days, we are allegorically now in us mode, not under the law, but under grace of law/grace in such old/new testaments having one conclusion:

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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All them[died without mercy] folks,,
where are they????

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Hi Al,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ.

All them [died without mercy] folk. Where are they?

Where would any be, if they were playing a game of life or death, and got knocked out the game? Dead!

Law is a ministration of "death": 2Cor 3:7

Law is the source of sin: Rom 5:13, And sin, when it is finished, brings forth "death": James 1:15

Law is also the strength of sin: 1Cor 15:56, and the sting of sin [is]: "death".

So "that God" (of this/that Gods: law/grace)in "Christ" (of Jesus => Christ: the end of the law) reconciling the world unto himself (the God of all grace), did NOT impute sin (death): 2Cor 5:18,19

Nor did God send his Son into the world to condemn (law) the world (already condemned by law): Jn 3:17

Nor did the Son "of God" accuse (law) any: Jn 5:45

And JC said God said, about spoiling the hse of sin, dead end thereof, first bind the "strong man" (source and strength of sin: law); else it will spoil you (with a dead end)... in such things are an "allegory"

Jude 5 says all them folk saved out of Egypt were afterward "destroyed" (by their grace + law added is as life + death added = a dead end). Not to mention both left/right Cheribums in Exodus over-"shadowed" (lawed) the mercy seat, and from both ends, with outstretched wings of law <=> law; Which is why God said: I will commune with you "above" the mercy seat.

Jonah said, from the belly (midst) of the great (law)fish: they that oberve lying vanities (laws) forsake their own mercy (grace).

Hebrews 11:13 says these all "died" in (blind) faith, "not having received the promises"...
Hebrews 11:39 says they all got a good report card, but "received not the promise" (eternal life)

And the conclusion of Heb 11 says God has some better thing for "us" (than the dead end of grace + law), that they without us should not be made perfect.

And the conclusion of Hebrews says (about the "perfection" us should "go on" to in Heb 6:1): "Grace with you all. Amen."

So it seems them, without us, should not be made perfect (alive unto God), and in the same manner spiritual things, without charity (the "greatest" of "three" things), are accounted as "nothing", nothing more than sounding brass; Which is why the Lord is longsuffering unto "us-ward", the reason being so "none perish". For when the God Shew is ended properly, it (law: sin & death, dead end) never happened, nor does a latter end worse happen either.

The point of all such being Spiritual Adulthood, eternal life thereof, is the third of three things:

1. Them: who draw back to perdition
2. Them: who believe... and go on to
3. Us: God which hath given "us" the victory

1. Broad Way: old, leads to destruction
2. Narrow Way: new, leads to life, by "go on" to
3. More Excellent Way: new and "living" way

1. Law: of sin and death (dead end)
2. Law: of the Spirit of life in CJ (also dead end)
3. Ye are not under (either) law, but under "grace"

1. Children of flesh
2. Children of God
3. Be no more children tossed to & fro by law<=>law

1. Servants of sin
2. Servants of righteousness
3. Thou art no more servant, but a son

1. Faith: blind faith can get you a dead end
2. Hope: you only hope for what you don't yet have
3. Charity: never faileth; greatest of three things

The point of the God Shew (purposed to shew the "only Potentate" of such law or grace, is His Grace) being the know-ing is above and beyond the faith-ing and hope-ing yer broad or narrow ways are right of left/right; For even those right of such a left/right sides war, are still at war, not at peace, which is above such division-all left/right war-ing. And when having a war with the man in the mirror, if you raise your right hand, to be right, he raises his left hand against you. Only way to win is walk away. Poof goes the man in the mirror. So also it says give no place to the devil, or devilish law, "from such turn away". And then poof goes the dragon, running to & fro to see who he can devour with his law <=> law.

It's a "shew" (plural of show), to shew what grace is, in comparison to what it's not: law. It's a "mystery" with lots of twists, and an "allegory" with a moral: "grace is sufficient" (no law req'd).

The end, or conclusion, of
- the NT (majority written by Paul)
- Pauline epistles (by Paul)
- Hebrews (written by Paul)
- Revelation (written by Paul)
- Holy Bible containing Old & New Testaments
have one thing in common: "Grace with you all".

And for clarity, since many christians don't know the difference between JC and CJ is Saviour and Destroyer, the Holy Bible ends with the "salutation" of Paul (the "token", or ticket to heaven in every [Pauline] epistle), and notably by his own hand, as if playing the last trump of first and last trumps:

The "grace" of our Lord "Jesus Christ" with you all. Amen.

(PS: the "you all" thereof begins with "you", and "all" the KofG located within "you" are depending on you to "endure to the end" to be "saved" (only), or to "go on" to perfection (Spiritual Adulthood): all grace and no law at all, all mercy and no sacrifice at all, all life and no death at all).

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Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

(where any find any law or wrath or fear or war in such a Pauline "holy kiss" greeting of pure grace to brethren all simply boggles me; For all Paul's epistles both open and close with only "grace")

There is only one absolute end to terror, just as there is only one absolute end to law worketh wrath: simply let law be what it's intended to be in the New Testament of Old/New Testaments: the dead testator.

Christians do not seem to realize there are two testaments in the Bible, each having a (dead)testator, the first being grace, so law could be of force: Hebrews 9. So also law the dead testator of the NT so grace may be of force... being mercy, peace, and life to all (not some only, for there is no respect of persons with God, no, not with a law God nor with a grace God, the two Gods compared and contrasted in the two testaments):

It is a biblical fact you cannot spoil the hse of sin till you first bind the strong man of such a hse; And law is the strength (strong man) of sin: 1Cor 15:56.

It is a biblical fact you cannot establish grace till you let law be the dead testator of the NT: Heb 9.

The law (and lie) was given by Moses
Grace ( and truth) came by Jesus Christ: Jn 1:17

He taketh away the first,
that he may establish the second: Heb 10:9

Two contrary things cannot coexist in peace:

He is our peace, who abolished the law: Eph 2
"Christ": "the end of the law"

"To wit", that God was in "Christ" reconciling the world unto himself (Grace), NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM (only law imputes sin: Rom 5:15; 5:13)... 2Cor 5:19

How does it end? It ends with no mention of law:

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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"Grace" unto "you"
from "God our Father"

and (only) then it's
peace-able unto you,
from the Lord Jesus Christ.

as the "holy kiss" greeting in all Pauline epistles.

When wisdom (grace unto you), from above (from God our Father), is firstly pure (pure grace, no law at all), then it's peace-able (James 3:17). Peace with God is notably "through" Jesus => Christ, the Christ thereof being "the end of the law". To wit, that God was in "Christ"... NOT IMPUTING sin (by law): 2Cor 5

Other wise, of two widsoms, it is "devilish" wisdom; and devilish wisdom (grace + law) is an oxyMORON with a BAD ending, such as life + DEATH = A DEAD END.

Moses was a great "terror" to "all" Israel...Dt 34
The law was "given by Moses"...Jn 1
Under "Moses' law" all died without mercy...Hebrews

Hypocrites, fools, vipers, and blind guides sit in Moses' seat: law (Mt 23:1), and such like are called a "child", more specifically a "child of hell". And when such child-ish folk, who use law to impute sin for the hell of it, make one proselyte, they make such a one "more the child of hell" than they are.

POINT: it's not just dumb, but dumber to use law to impute sin for the hell of it in the age of grace. At least those who did it in BC were under the law, eh.

The law was given by Moses,
but grace came by Jesus Christ

The lie was given by Moses,
but truth came by Jesus Christ

He "taketh away" the first,
that he may "establish" the second.

You canNOT establish grace until law done away by all.
You canNOT establish truth until lie done away by all.

For a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Just as a little cancer can kill the whole body,
a little law (lie) can make grace no more grace, and truth no more truth; but rather grace + law ("added") and truth + lie ("added"), which is polluted and perverted grace, the sort which Noah found in the eyes (plural) of the LORD; and such grace + law got him saved + destroyed after, just like it did to all saved out of Egypt (as noted in Jude 5). Hence it reasons grace + law is as saved + destroyed, only an oxyMORON with a BAD ending, such as life + DEATH.

God sent His Son that the world through him (in him is no law: sin & death) might be "saved" (period), not saved + destroyed, not perish from a bad case of life + death = a dead end, but rather live only, via eternal life, via life only, via grace only.

By grace ye are "saved".
By grace + law ye are saved + destroyed.

Hello, is anyone there,
or am I speaking into a vacuum?

It's "willing ignorance" by which the first world of twain compared in 2Pet 3 all "perished", which is extinction, not be, non existence. In Adam all die. Hello! What part of "all" do you not yet understand?

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all.
Amen. (Note: "you all" hereof begins with "you")

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Three Wishes: Grace Mercy Peace.

Well, according to the daily news (below), I see some folk are now busy at throwing another $20 million plus a year's work for scientists getting big bucks into an early tsunami warning system, for the Indian ocean; Without real-izing there's about 8 million ways for 'more subtle' law<=law to carry out it's first<=second beastial ministration of condemnation and ministration of death, and in diverse places; While some folk are feeling 'safer but not yet safe' of such bwd safe<=safer $tuff some people keep 'falling' for. LOL.

Perhaps we should be asking these questions: do scientists getting paid big bucks really know or really care?; do doctors getting paid big bucks really want illness to go away (#1 cause of death in Americah is going to doctor)?; do ministers getting paid big bucks really want sin consciousness eradicated?

Perhaps it would be much cheaper and much more effective to simply 'let' the 'source' of 'sin' and 'infirmities' and 'death', such 'destructive' and deadly "law worketh wrath", be the 'dead' testator of the NT; Instead of letting the better sort of such law law in Romans 8, the living sacrifices, give place and power to the first of such law<=law, as a second of twain beasts in Revelation gives place to a first, kinda like Americah's 'rule of law' gives place to Israelis 'terror of law', or as "more the child of hell" gives place to "child of hell" folk who all sit in Moses' seat: Mt 23; and perhaps the seat of a great "terror"-ist(Deut 34:12), eh. LOL.

DISASTER ALERT SYSTEM USELESS IF PUBLIC CAN'T BE WARNED: SCIENTIST. Chief Australian scientist involved in researching a tsunami detection system for the Indian Ocean says the project could be finished in a year at a cost of about $20 million:

The "grace" of our Lord "Jesus Christ" with "you" all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
www leader for 'full monty uncovering' (of cover ups)

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Three Wishes: Grace Mercy Peace
Not Law Sacrifice War (Terror).

The throne of "grace" is where "mercy" is obtained (not sacrifice, which is "of the law"). Law was a great "terror" (not comfort) to all Israel.

God never requested, nor was God ever pleased, with sacrifice (slaughter) which is notably "of the law": Ps 40:6; Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13; Heb 10. For law imputes sin, which brings forth death: Rom 5:13; Jam 1:15.

Law is both source of sin and strength of sin, witch has a deadly "sting": 1Cor 15:56. Law also produces all manner of concupiscence: an overwhelming evil desire to do the very things forbidden; Which is why JC said God said, concerning the children: forbid them not. For if you law them, you not only abuse them with evil concupiscence, but with infirmities, and with fear (hath torment), and with law is a "terror", and with imperfection, and with condemnation, and with death. For law is also a ministration of death: 2Cor 3:7.

So it is evident, and from all the evidence, that the bottom of the terror barrel is law. And what's also evident, from the evidence, is that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God. Selah.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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So, if the LAW is the problem,,,WHO gave it too MOSES? by the way,does your flesh,ever bug ya???
or have your reached=perfection>totally walk [in] charity?

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John 1:17 "The law was given by Moses..."

This law, called "the law of commandments" in Eph 2, which JC abolished from his flesh (we are his flesh in Eph 5), is found in Gen 2:17, making the grace in Gen 2:16 "no more grace", but grace + law; which is as life + death.

All other laws (10 at Sinai and 613 others) were "added", and notably "because of the transgressions". But "where no law, there no transgression": Rom 4:15. So it reasons there had to be a law prior to the ten commandments.

So, by abolishing one lousy tree law, JC effectively abolished all law, since all other laws were added because of the transgressions.

It's all allegory, also a myster to solve, and escape in Heb 2 is via "give more earnest heed" to what's been said; The purpose being to become so aware you never get duped, snared, deceived, bewitched, suckered into adding law to "grace is sufficient".

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Three Wishes: Grace => Mercy => Peace

What do you find at a "throne of grace"? Only grace.

What is obtained at a throne of grace? Only mercy.

What constitutes peace with God? Pure grace (void of law) that is also merciful (void of sacrifice).

Biblically peace with God is notably "through" Jesus => Christ: the end of the law. Through Jesus (born under the law) to Christ (the end of the law). Thereby God's grace is grace us, God's mercy is merciful, God's life is eternal. Thereby God's Son could not be holden of death.

When we all let law be mortal, die, vanish; then terror, torment, sorrow, death will also vanish.

For peace(grace) + terror(law) ends badly for all.

For immortal + mortal is a dead end, just as the oxymoron grace + law = life + death = a dead end.

God will not have a dead end, not then, not now, not ever. Any who think other wise, the earthy, sensual, and devilish wise (law wise), may bend over and kiss their divided asses bye bye.

God's grace does not compromise with law. When grace and truth came by Jesus Christ, thereby law and lie are to be eradicated, blotted out, done away, abolished, taken away, put off, put away... to the point of law vanishing, and all the terror of it also vanishing. For God is love void of fear (torment).

Objective of the God Shew is to flush law as dung.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen. (no mention of any law at all in "the end")

Daniel Miles

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Grace & Peace unto YOU from God & Son Unlimited.

Terror, and terror-ists who do terrible things, have become a global epidemic of fear hath torment. The root cause of it all, at the bottom of the terror barrel is obviously the law, legalism.

The law of Moses was not only a "great terror" to all Israel (of Jacob-->Israel): Deuteronomy 34:12, but even to Moses himself: Hebrews 12, notes Moses himself exceedingly feared and quaked at Mt Sinai, where the Jews notably well spoke in saying the law should not be spoken to them again; also recorded in Deuteronomy, where law both blesses and curses, bringing both comfort and dis-comfort, rather than grace brings comfort only, never discomfort.

Law is both good and evil; And when all the evidence is reviewed, law does more harm than good; Not only afflicting souls, but also vexing the spirit and destroying lives, often merciless, for the hell of it. On the contrary grace is merciful and peaceful, does good only.

There's plenty of laws in the world of chaos. The more laws added, the more chaos & confusion created. Yet when feared or harmed, ignorant people still oft say: there ought to be a law, as if completely unaware the problem is law, and the solution is grace.

You are welcome to weigh in on this topic, so it may be discussed to the point it is understood the law is at the bottom of the terror barrel, as the root cause of terror, and of fear, which hath torment. On the contrary perfect love hath no fear, nor torment, nor terror. Terror only occurs when law is given place; which is to allegory say the devil is given place.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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I guess if we do away with traffic lights, stop signs and speed limits our roadways would be much safer? You have your head in the clouds. This is not a perfect world yet, it is a fallen world. You speak of a perfect would when law is not required. Law is required in an inperfect world. We are not perfected yet. When we are we will not need law because we will have no desire to break it, although it will always exist because it is the very charater of Father. Most people in this fallen world still want to break the law. You just need to realize what you and most people think the law is, is not the law. Jesus came to "fulfill" the law. That means complete it, not do away with it. Do the study before you teach. The true law has nothing to do with what the lying pen of the scribes changed it to be (sacrifices). Can't you understand that? Father plainly tells us in Jeremiah (see the post) that the evil scribes changed the law of Father into a perverted mess. Do away with the perverted mess and keep the true law of Father. What is that you ask. If you know Father, you will know His true law because he wrote it in everyone's heart. If you do not know the true law, get to know the true Father in Heaven. Listen to what the real life walking and talking Jesus taught, and you will know Father, because He was the very Word of Father. You have a big problem because you do not believe in the real flesh and blood Jesus, so you can not know the real Father. That is a shame. Why teach other people and put that shame on them?

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Dear Tuxedo Bob?

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Actually my head: Christ, and his head: God, are above cloudy confusion.

It's your imperfect law that makes your perception of the world imperfect. The world is progressing toward grace and peace. We no longer burn witches, holocaust jews, electrocute gays, and racism is at last unpopular. Generations of legalism and abuse are fading to oblivion, just as war is becoming obsolete and walls are coming down.

As for law always existing, it won't happen since law is corruptible and mortal, even had an expiry date; but grace is incorruptible and immortal. So it's a matter of time for law, but not for grace is eternal.

The only thing that fulfills law worketh wrath is death and destruction, to the point of extinction, even the extinction of itself.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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You have to be joking? You said..."We no longer burn witches, holocaust jews, electrocute gays, and racism is at last unpopular."
If we no longer do those things it's because we follow the true law of Father. Since when does love God and love your neighbor as yourself mean the things you stated. Dear mislead man, it means the opposite. You do none of those things if you follow the example and LAW of the true REAL Jesus. Why do you say "my law"? I have nothing to do with the law you speak of. You just don't get it and probably never will. Sometimes I wonder what just goes through that mind of yours. But then again, I really do not want to know. Once again dear fellow, the law of Father has nothing to do with the law of preists, sacrifices, and all the other foolishness and sickness the preist and lying pens of the scribes added (as spoken by Jeremiah). It's not rocket science to understand. You just have to know the true Father that knocks at the door of everyone's heart. Answer the door, let Him in, and you will see the true and eternal law of Father. Without it nothing exists. Evil exists only if you let it exist in you. Do you really think Father threw out Adam out of the garden because he became like Father as the bible says? NO, Adam was thrown out because he ate of the tree and gained the knowladge of evil and was not like Father anymore. It is pretty silly to think Adam became like Father, so Father threw him out. Sorry, but that is insane. Follow the true law of Father and evil will not exist anymore. Become like Father and do not know evil anymore, know only good.
Until your next oddly untrue statement,
Thorn in your side - A.K.A. Timothy Tuxedo
May the peace of the REAL Yeshua be upon you.

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Hi Tim (alias AC, alias TB),

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord JC.

Law vs Grace is really no contest at all,
as law is mortal and eventually expires.

Only what began can end. Law began.
Eternal grace has no begin nor end.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Law had a beginning? The law you speak of began as Jeremiah said...with the lying pen of the scribes. Seems like you never want to talk about that prase do you? Seems like you like to ignore all the other prophets sent by Father saying the same thing. The Law of Father had no beginning unless you want to say Father had a beginning. The TRUE LAW is Father and Father is the TRUE LAW. You can not seperate the two. You can seperate a fool from his money, but you can not seperate the Law from Father. Satan already tried to do that, then he sent Paul, I guess now you pick up the challange too? Go tell the spirit that taught you everything just like Paul, as you told in your life story, that it did not work then and it will not work now. Tell that spirit he lost a long time ago. Tell that spirit that he is totally powerless against the true Law of Father. Of course he already knows that. Why do you not understand that? I'm sorry, but you are a very smart man. You know the law of sacrifices and filth is not the true Law of Father. You know it is man made. You know what the real Law of Father is and that we have to keep it as Jesus said. How do I know you know? Because Father said it is written in the very heart (mind) of EVERY MAN. You just choose to ignore it. One day the spirit of truth will fly away from you. Sadly, then it is too late. That is the one sin that cannot be forgiven in this world or the world to come. Listen to it. It knocks at your door. Don't walk through the wide gate, turn and enter the narrow gate. It has the teachings and commandments of Jesus on the other side. It is not the popular gate, but it does lead to life. Who would not give up the whole world to see a single man walk through the gate that leads to life? Who would not set at a stupid computer hour after hour to tell someone they are stepping into the wrong gate and following the wrong teacher? I even said things very hurtful and against my spirit in an effert for you to see (which was wrong). Will you make it all for not? Even so, the time spent was spent well. What is the spirit of one man worth to make him a brother? You are not my brother, but how I wish you could have been. I do not think I could ever save you of course (only Father through Jesus can), I was just trying to get you to let Father in Heaven save you. I do not hate you, I just hate your teaching from the spirit that taught you.
Thank you for your time.

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Back to (know not) Bob,

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace,
from God OUR Father and the Lord JC.

Tuxedo Bob (AC Paul, Timothy): You still don't know the difference between the Father and our Father, is as the difference between law and grace, compared as lie and truth in John 1:17.

There is no hate in grace,
nor any division in peace.

Perhaps you could read Paul to 1&2Timothy,
"study to shew thyself approved unto God",
then help them who oppose themselves with law,
to "recover themselves" from such law bondage.

We know Timothy did, for it's recorded,
that brother Timothy is "set at liberty",
as noted in Paul to the Hebrews 13:23;
which concludes "Grace with you all. Amen."

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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"Good-day" Mr. Miles,
You still don't lack any talent in making me chuckle, I have to give you credit for that. Father said the rain falls on all equally. Enjoy your rain Mr. Miles. I hope it will grow a good crop in you one day.
Until that time,
The many named wonder.

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Dear Tuxedo Bob(alias AC Paul, Timothy),

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord JC.

You may wanna check out the threat about the Father in Matthew 18:35, which is the same as the threat in the PS to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:15. Law pity, thought to be compassion and forgiveness can be followed by wroth and tormentors if you don't forgive all men their trespasses after you're forgiven your trespasses. Do you know all men, or what their trespasses are? How do any trespass unless there is law to trespass? What if they were unaware of such law? Are they still guilty? What of blasphemy the Ghost that is unpardonable? How do you forgive this? What of the curse of the law? If you don't forgive, or can't reverse the curse, then neither do you get forgiveness, but wroth and tormentors. What a dilemna.

Let us have an end of good and evil law; For by the using of laws all perish, since law is a mission impossible to keep it all, all the time, to a thousand generations. This condition of law has already been breached, by the woman in the beginning. So how do you propose to change this, other than by abolition of law? It's the only way any, thereby all, can be truly forgiven.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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If you are unaware of a law and break it, you will not be found guilty. Remember Jesus said that if you "see", your sin remains, but if you are blind, you are not guilty. The Pharisees saw and were guilty. I'm not sure what threat you are talking about? Why would Jesus expect you to forgive tresspasses you don't know about...enough with knocking down the strawman! Your point is invalad per common sense. Why would people need to forgive blasphemy the Holy Spirit? Father would need to do that, which He states He will not. The unpardonable sin is a lifetime of stopping you ears to the Holy Spirit until it departs from you never to return. Father gives that person what he wants. Eternal seperation from Father by the nothingness of death in lieu of life with Father. What is wrong with this. It is fair, merciful, and just. Sorry, you have an invalad point again. You can't keep the Law of Father without sin. No one has. All you can do is try your best and love your neighbor as yourself. This is all He wants and will forgive the rest. Do you have a problem with that? Again, your point is invalad. You say abolition of law is the only way to be forgiven. You might want to run that by Jesus. It is made clear that those who promise liberty by abolition of law only place people back under the chains of sin by breaking the law and not asking for forgiveness. It is just the same old lie by Satan from the beginning. It never has, nor never will fool me. It is really so last season. Again, why do you do the work of the evil one by teaching this? It really is sad. Anyway, until your next oddly untrue statements to deceive,
Timothy Tuxedo,
If you want the actual quotes, I will give them as usual. Just ask.

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Dear ACPaul/TuxedoBob/TuxedoTim,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Grace has no law to obey or disobey, and thereby no Rom 2 anguish to deal with, but rather peace (rest).

Perhaps that is why James 3 notes firstly pure wisdom from above (Grace unto you from God our Father) is thereby also firstly peaceable of 7 things grace is.

The problem with your law conviction and pardon is some sin is unpardonable, namely blasphemy the Ghost (speaking against the Law). Not to mention law confession of sin leaves you with the dilemna of bloodshed sacrifice for law imputed sin does not purge all sins, but almost all, leaving you with an unpurged conscience, an evil conscience still subject to evil concupiscence of law and feeling wretched thereby, as Paul did until he flushed all law as dung. In the same manner those who law judge, thinking to accuse others and excuse themselves by law, are not excused by law, but "inexcusable" and subject to the consequences: indignation, wrath, tribulation, and anguish spoken of in Romans 2.

Love thy neighbor is a law (Mt 22), to put away.
Ye are not under law, but under grace: Rom x2.
If led of the Spirit ye are not under law: Gal.

Try and fail is fail-u-are. Charity never fails.
If you try and fail to keep all law, condemned.
As you aptly note, nobody can keep all the law.
So the way to never fail is abolish all the law.

Law is imperfect. Grace is perfect. Be ye perfect.
Law accuses, condemns, and oft wrongfully convicts.
Grace doesn't accuse, or condemn, or con-vict any.
Law isn't merciful. Grace is merciful. Be ye merciful.

Comparing law to grace, law has "no glory" by comparison to grace so excelleth in glory the law fades to nothing but sounding brass by comparison.

Forgiveness is for know nots, them who know not if they don't forgive all men all trespasses they will not get forgiveness from the Father of Jesus: Law.

Charity thinketh no evil to even forgive.
Charity is put on above forgiving one another.

Scriptures were written aforetime for our learning.
I do not teach, but rather share what I've learned.
It is preposterous order to teach first, learn after.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Thank you for informing us that Love thy neighbor is a law (Mt 22), to put away. It's only the 2nd greatest commandment given by Jesus. Oh, that right, you do not believe in a literal Jesus. Just when I think you have stated the most foolish statement, you raise the bar to the next level of non-sense. Remember the dark mist Paul said fell upon his followers? Wonder where the dark (evil) mist spirit came from? As the church lady on SNL would have said, Ummmmmm, maybe SATAN!
Good day and Good luck Mr. Miles. You still crack me up with your total non-sense.
Until your next oddly untrue statment.
The many named wonder. I wonder how many?

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Tuxedo Bob,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Indeed, Love thy neighbor is a "law" to put away, notably "the second is like unto the first" in Mt 22: 36-40 law law; And the first of Rom 8:2 law law is sin and death. Not to mention Rom 8 law vs law is divided against itself.

Let's look at America, which according to it's leader is 'a nation under law', and his 'rule of law' he promised to make global at his second coming. How well does it love it's neighbor Cuba, or it's own people? America has the most violence of all nations, also the most violent weather. Like the Roman Empire it is deteriorating from within.

As for Jesus Christ, the only commandment he gave was "new": "Love one another as I have loved you": John 13:34; 15:12. Paul gives more clarity about the end of the commandment, namely "you" in which the KofG resides, being "charity" out of a pure heart, and a good conscience, and faith unfeigned.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Well wake up the cat and pour the coffee! I think you finally see the true Law of Father. It is love your Creator with all your heart and love one another. Danny, this is the true Law of Father. Do it or die. Seem harsh? Hardly! Follow this Law and you follow Father, do not follow this Law and you reject Him and die (eternally). Get the sick Law of the scribes and Preist out of your mind. It was man made as Jeremiah plainly stated. Jesus brought no "new" Law. Jesus brought back the true Law that was pushed aside and forgotten for their new sick twisted pagan sacfrice laws. Jeremiah said that Father never wanted or commanded these things. How could he say it more plainly. Paul is dead wrong. The true Law does exists and you do sin if you break it. You still need to repent of breaking the true Law or die. Teaching others that you can not sin anymore is plain twisted sickness that kills. Please, let's stop being murders of people and teach the true and first Law of Father. The ten commandments were made for people with stone hearts, the true Law of Father is written in our hearts from before the foundation of the world. We stay with Father or leave Him and die. He gives us that choice. Nothing can make me sicker than preacherman spewing out sinners will be in twisted hell torture fire forever. If we choose not to follow Father, He let us rest in peace (death) at the end, which is love and mercy, for the person has chose this path. Paul wants to confuse the path for people who really want to follow Father. Stop helping him do so. Father is His true Law and nobody will be with Father who does not choose to follow His true Law. Enjoy your true sabbath of rest today (not to be confused with worship).

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Dear Bobby, Timmy, whatever your name is,

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Christ abolished the surely die lie: Eph 2.
Christ is the end of the law: Romans 10:4.
Reconciling the world is done "in Christ",
by NOT law imputing sin to them: 2Cor 5:19.

The other sort, of two reconciled(s), is to death;
as noted in the two Roman 5 mentions of reconciled.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Dear Danny, Godshew, whatever you call yourself,
Law (not deception) unto you, Jesus (not Paul the antichrist)from my Father in Heaven and Yeshua.

Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments".
Jesus said "The Law will never pass away".
Jesus brought the original law back to us.
Jesus said "endure until the end and you shall be saved".
The other sorted quotes noted by you leads only to death eternal as stated by Father in Heaven.

The True Law of our Creator be with you all. Amen.

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Grace & Peace,

Indeed, endure unto the end to be saved(graced):

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.