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Why do Christians, especially pastors, keep preaching and teaching old testament law, when Hebrews, a mini bible itself, and Revelation, the
last book of the Holy Bible having the last word, both end with no law, no mention of law at all?

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ANSWER:

Dear Writer,

We suggest that you go to your nearest library and get a Strong's Exhaustive Bible Concordance and use it to do an in-depth study on the approximately 228 texts in the New Testament regarding the Law of God. The New Testament clearly indicates that the "ceremonial" law of the Old Testament was no longer necessary once the principles of the Law were written on the HEARTS of the people instead of burdened-down with heavy, physical requirements and ceremonies. But the Law itself never changed. The LAW remains in effect until the end of time. The only difference is that we no are no longer required to bring an actual lamb to the alter of sacrifice for every sin we commit. NOW we need only to bow the knee and lift our prayers up to the Lord who created the Law out of love for His children.

Why do we raise our children to understand and abide by the laws of the land? To PROTECT them from harm and because we LOVE them too much to see them hurt. We teach them that speeding results in punishment in the form of a ticket and fine, murder results in punishment of prison or death, stealing results in the punishment selected by members of a jury in court, walking into the middle of a busy highway results in getting hit by a car and usually death, touching a hot stove results in pain and possible permanent damage to the body. We love our children too much to see them hurt and we want them to grow up and live healthy, productive, SAFE, and long lives. Why is not the very God of heaven allowed to raise His own children in the same, loving manner? Why are we required to obey LAWS on the roads, while driving, in school, at home, and at work, but NOT required to obey the LAWS of the very Law-maker Himself in our churches?? Kind of a contradiction in terms, don't you think?

1 John 3:4 - "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the LAW, for sin is the transgression of the LAW."

SIN itself is disobedience to the Law of God that was given to Adam and Eve from the very beginning of time. The Law of God existed long before the "Old Testament" ever existed because it brings uniformity, peace, and order among all of God's creation.

Without God's LAW, there would be no order in the entire universe. Men could live and kill at will and humanity would very quickly destroy itself. The 10 Commandment law was never done-away with. If it was destroyed, then why are we not allowed to murder, steal, commit adultery, and lust after the goods of others? Why must we still abide by God's Law today.........which includes all of those things and many others? It's much more "fun" and "easy" and "comfortable" to not have a law or requirements in our daily or spiritual life. But it is also much more hazardous, deadly, and destructive.

Blessings,
Plainlydressed
www.plainlydressed.com


REPLY TO ANSWER:

Hey Plainly Dressed,

"Grace unto you", and peace,
"from God our Father" and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Dah - where ye find any law at all in that Pauline Holy Kiss, or end of Paul's epistles, including Hebrews & Revelation, is what really amazes me, for they "all" end with "grace" only. Even converted Peter (only man called Satan in the Bible) makes note of that in his 2nd general epistle (written to strengthen his brethren in accordance with when [not if] thou art converted, then strengthen thy brethren). You don't strengthen brethren with law, for law is the strength of sin, and the sting thereof is death (1Cor 15:56). Selah.

I'm so glad ye wrote me, for I haven't had a negative email from a legalist in so long (getting almost all bouquets and thanks lately, and many from pastors too) I almost forgot there were any legalists still unweaned from milky way law.

Let me respond to your legalistic tirade by addressing yer ending, the dblemindead 'blessings' thereof. To such I say return to sender, none for me thanks, for such is as the twainy mixture of blesseds in Rom 4: 7,8 (from Ps 32: 1,2).

Law had an expiry date (fullness of time for such), expired so long ago it is now so old it's ready to vanish (Heb 8:13) and shall vanish (1Cor 13: , just like in the end of Merliln when all realize they can't spoil the house of evil till they stop acknowledging it (since law the strength of sin, strong man JC spoke of to bind in order to spoil hse of sin).

My Bible CLARIFIES "that God" was in "Christ" reconciling the world unto himself, NOT imputing their trespasses unto them (2Cor 5:19)... not imputing trespasses denotes no law, for Rom 5:13 CLARIFIES when no law, sin not imputed. Furthermore, daring to look at Rom 14: "whatsoever is not of faith is sin" and Gal 3: "the law is not of faith", we clearly see the law is flatly associated with sin.

My Bible, which I read every day, all day (for 100,000 hrs now), also tells me he "taketh away" the first to "establish" the second (Heb 10:9). So to establish the "blessed" of Rom 4:8 we take away Rom 4:7, leaving us with "man" kind of 1Cor 13's child/man scenario, the "perfect" man kind talked about in Eph 4, which says "be no more children" in conjunction with "walk worthy" and "for Christ's sake", because God hath (past tense) forgiven "you" (of ye/you).

Now to address the body of yer letter(killeth: 2Cor 3). I assure you I'm verily familiar with Strong's Concordance, have already worn out a hard copy (from daily use), and now use the cmpt one on my web site daily, every day, all day.

As for yer mention of (only) '228 texts about law in the NT', I assure you I could find many more, for as the NT reveals, it's an "allegory" (Gal 4:24), and a mystery, even a triple mystery in Col 2:2; So as JC said in Mt 24: "take heed", and probably because there are lots of twists in a great mystery, especially near the end. So near the end we find the exhortation is to take "more earnest heed". Selah.

Now as to yer mention of the law 'of God' and hundreds of 'texts', ye may wanna do some seek & find of yer own, find most mention of law being "of Moses". In fact Johnny law himself states: "the law was given by Moses" (Jn 1:17), and in contrast "grace" came by Jesus Christ, also noting one of twain is "truth", the other wise a lie, kinda like the false/true spirits of 1Jn 4 we're to try, to know which is witch of twain and accusation/approved of Jn 5:45's comparison of himself (grace) with Moses (law), as the mini bible Hebrews also does, noting such spake/spoken is as good/better;

For God did NOT send his Son to condemn(law) the world, which is also in Johnny law's "verily verily" gospel, where he thinks himself more beloved than others when it's flat out stated in the Bible "there is no respect of persons with God", none, nor with the Son of God either (even the Herodians and Pharisees who sent them perceived that, eh).

So it reasons 'you too can have partiality with an impartial God' is not only an oxyMORON, but also a lie which "many" love to hear, unaware flattery corrupts (but truth does not). Evangelicals are notorious for their evangelastic truth + lie. Evangelicals read Evangelicals; no one else does (Spong).

As to biblical mention of the law of God, such refers only to allegorical comparison of two laws (Rom in the twain shew part of the God shew: two part shew about a third part; the greatest of such great greater greatest being restoration of the third of the angels of heaven drawn away and cast down by the tail of the dragon (Rev 12). Charity is greatest (1Cor 13:13) of three things, and for even more CLARITY notably charity "out of a pure heart", established in grace; as in the end of the (only) commandment in "force": Love one another "as I have loved you". Fear is (only) the "beginning" of wisdom, and notably (for clarity) devilish wisdom (of twain wisdoms) in James 3. In comparison and contrast wisdom from above (Grace unto you... from God our Father) is firstly pure (grace), and then peace-able, etc.

Aside: as the young man said to the elder in Home Alone (notably in the pew of the church wherein he was wishing to be restored to his family): aren't you a little old to be afraid. It was quick, powerful, sharper than any twoedged sword, pierced his heart even to the dividing assunder of soul and spirit. We later find the fraidycat elder restored to his family. Holy Bible also has an all live, happily ever after, end of law.

As to yer mention of 'ceremonial' law, my Bible search said: search for ' ceremonial ' did not return any results. I suppose ye also think the word thereafter is in the Bible.

My response to yer ignorance is to suggest ye read 2Corinthians 3: all in context and content and note law is not only both a ministration of condemnation and death, but all law, everything written in stone (10 commandments) and in ink (torah) is done away. For albeit it "was" as glorious as the moon and stars of the night, but at the coming of the sun, especially at high noon in the day of such night/day, they fade to nothing at all in comparison. So also two glorys are compared in 2Cor 3, one being as the letter witch killeth, the other as the spirit which giveth life (taker/giver of life). I'm guessing such is why(?) they call funeral folk under-takers.

Since ye obviously haven't noticed, I'll mention it. In Eph 2 we find that he "is" our peace (not our war nor will be). We also find out how he became our peace (note: he also became us, and he also became the author of eternal salvation). He notably became, now is our peace by doing something: abolishing "the law"(singular), of "commandments"(plural and contrary); And notably abolished one of twain in accordance with "he taketh away the first, that he may establish the second"(Heb 10:9).

The only scripture which fits "the law of commandments" is Genesis 2: 17 of Genesis 2: 16 -vs- 17; for taken together they make an oxymoron: every tree + not every tree. Selah.

So he abolished one lousy tree law, to make the tree good, in accordance with either make the tree good or evil, not both, since both is an oxymoron. And since the Bible states all other law was added because of the transgression and where no law there no transgression, and the woman was in the transgression... it reasons (come now, let us reason together) there had to a law way back, before Mt Sinai, for the woman to be in the transgression (for where no law, there no transgression: Rom 4:15, which also notes "law worketh wrath"). So, by abolishing one law, he abolished all law, for all other laws were added because of the trangression, which is of the law. Selah.

Now as for yer mention of 'principles'(plural), it is noteworthy we are exhorted to leave the "principles" (not the doctrine) of Christ in Heb 6:1 (allegory: leave the plural: grace + law, for the singular: grace). Such becomes obvious when looking at the conclusion of Hebrews, perfection thereof Hebrews (plural) are exhorted to move on. The conclusion is the same as the conclusion of the Bible: "Grace" with you all. Amen.

As for yer mention of law being for protect-ion & safe-ty, ye may want to read in Hebrews that all who died under Moses' law died without mercy (no mercy at all in pure law). And ye may wanna read 1Thes 5:3 which forewarns they who say Peace & Safety (Grace & Law), thinking there is safety in law abiding, well, sudden destruction comes upon them. So Jude 5 also reminds all those saved out of Egypt were destroyed after, noting grace + law is as saved + destroyed. For law imputes sin (Rom 5:13), and sin brings forth death (1Cor 15:56; Heb 7:23; Jam 1:15). So it reasons grace + law is as life + death = a dead end. For since grace "is" and law was "added", the only plausible combo is grace + law.

Mike Williams says, and I quote him on such since he is accurate on such (only, still a bit leavened when it comes to what's best for all of good better best, three things, two of which are for some only, but the third part for all, not some):
http://www.godshew.org/OneLiners.htm#MikeWilliams

And if ye would like to debate such, openly, on a public forum, I'd be more than happy to do so, take on y'all, and yer groupies too; with one goal: our learning (not for playing childish blame game witch inducts into the hALL of shame). I am not ashamed of the gospel (that gospel of this/that gospels) for it is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1). In fact I'll post my request, yer reply, my reply on my uncensored forum, which is open for all to "watch" in accordance with what I say unto "you", I say unto "all" (Mk 13:37), since the "you all" of Rev 22:21 begins with "you".

And when his angel plays the last trump it (notably no law in such at all), it makes Bible and you all one thing: Holy; for the Bible containing Old & New Testaments, and having discussion of twain Holys therein, is not called a Holy Holy Bible, but "the" Holy Bible (denoting one of twain Holys is winner take all in the Twainshew... Godshew, and shewdown thereof). God [is] "a Spirit" (not a Ghost, nor Spirit + Ghost).

For two Gods "My God, My God" results in feeling forsaken.

TgooLJCwya. Amen.
Daniel Miles
www.godshew.org
(a third day minstry)

People just don't get it! Without the law there would be no sinning, no evil desires, no reason to kill, steal or destroy. Without the law no evil desires are put into motion. They just don't get it!

Querry:
If such things are an "allegory" (Gal 4:24) in the Holy Bible, then could the last trump scripture be alluding to the last trump it, kinda like in a
card game where the one with the last trump is winner take all?
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Reply from Ahyh:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ahyh, The Church of Yahweh"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Information Request

I will certainly agree that most of the Revelation needs to be taken allogorically. Exactly what the allegories mean is, of course, a question we have been wondering about for centuries(!)
Peace, Ahyh
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Reply to Ahyh:
Hey Ahyh, Three Wishes: Grace Mercy Peace.

Thanks for the reply to my info request; But I think you missed the POINT of it entirely, as many do... Point being the Bible is allegoric, as flat out
stated in Galatians 4's note the two sons of Abraham "are" the two covenants and "this" Agar( the bondwoman) "is" Mt Sinai, which is an allegory for the
law. And the script-u-are (of plural & contrary scriptures) saith: cast out the bondwoman and her son... allegory: cast out the law and the result of
the law: sin and death.

So, of law/grace, given as a before/after shew(plural of show), he taketh away the first that he may establish the second; For contrary things such as
law vs grace cannot coexist except to make an oxyMORON with a BAD ending such as the end of grace + law (the only plausible combo since grace "is"
and law "added") being allegorically as life + death = a dead end, something that God will not have then, now, ever. Hence the conclusion of the (allegoric) Holy Bible (written aforetime for our learning: Rom 15:4) has no mention of law at all when (when no law, no sin imputed: Rom 5:13) and where (where no law, no transgression) his angel (Paul) plays the last trump it: The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
Daniel Miles (founder)
www.godshew.org
( a third day ministry)
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Response from Ahyh:
----- Original Message -----
From: Ahyh, The Church of Yahweh
To: Daniel Miles
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:54 PM
Subject: TCOY Contact


Honestly, Daniel, I do not understand what you are saying.

You will probably not agree with this, but I will make one observation: Not ALL the "Bible is allegoric." Yes, there are allegorical references in it. But it is simply irrational to make a ststement that everything in the Bible is an allegory.

And I for one do not see any "contrary" relationship between law & grace. By grace the 1st law was given, not to beat us down, but to help us expand happiness, holiness & life. Over the course of time man's mind & heart were ready for more, to see that Love is the only law that matters.
Ahyh
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Daniel's Reply to Ahyh:

Hey Ahyh,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
("holy kiss" greeting to brethren all in every epistle of Paul, except for Hebrews, which is a mini bible itself having the same theme and conclusion: "Grace with you all" as Bible)

I suppose you think an "eternal" God has any beginning (of days) or any end (of life)... NOT! Not then, not now, not ever.

In fact the Bible reveals God is "excepted" (exempt) from the allegorical shew for God cannot lie nor die, and will not put grace under his feet (for it's a glory-us allegorical crown upon his head, an holy name to be hallowed). Besides it is God our Saviour who raises up Christ. So JC plays the part of God in the flesh. Nor is God plural as is Elohyim, or divided against himself (as are them vs us), but rather God is one singular collective whole and 100% rightly divided, as is "the God of all grace" (no law at all), as noted in 1Peter 5:10.

Hence "In the beginning God" is an "allegory" from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21; For in Romans 15:4 it notably states the scriptures (plural) were "written aforetime for our learning", and evidently (from all the evidence given by forty witnesses giving testimony) to learn "grace is sufficient" (no law req'd). Grace always "is", never was nor will be, but simply "is"; but law was, and was "added", and even more law added at Sinai "because of the transgression"; yet where no law there is no transgression (Rom 4:15), so there had to be a law (called "the law of commandments") way back in beginning.

And this is the law JC abolished (Eph 2:15) in order to effectively abolish all law (everything written in stone and ink) since all other law (10 commandments and about 613 torah laws) "added" and "because of the transgression" (to make it more obvious there was already a law added somewhere, and such makes grace "no more grace" but grace + law.

Besides flat out stating such things (Abraham having two sons) are an "allegory" in Galatians 4:24, it also states it is a "great mystery", even a triple mystery in Col 2:2, to be solved "in time" (Heb 4:16) since there is neither mystery nor time in eternity where understanding prevails.

Hence the exhortation of Solomon: "with all thy getting get understanding" and the clarity to get the sort which when embraced results in thy head (Christ, who's head is God) being crowned with "grace" glory (Proverb 4)... glory of God all fell short of when even one man added one law to "my grace is sufficient".

I assure you I have both studied it out, for about 100,000 hrs already, also via mega revelations directly from the Spirit, and find in the authorized KJV that the allegory holds from begin to end... the reason JC said God said: "take heed" (so not to miss the allegoric clues), and Paul (not only a revelator, but also a faithful steward of the mysteries of God) said take "more earnest heed" near the end; for a great mystery has lots of twists, especially near the end which is declared from the beginning (Isaih 46:10). For Love(God) is not blind as many suppose, but rather sees (only) "good" six times and "very good" the seventh time in Gen 1.

As for law being contrary to grace, it is as obvious as death being contrary to life, fear being contrary to love, torment being contrary to peace, curse being contrary to bless, down being contrary to up, left being contrary to right, etc.

It flat out states in Col 2:14 the law was "against" us, and "contrary" to us; even the "enmity" in Eph 2:15. It may help you to learn law = "the strength of sin" (1Cor 15:56) which has a deadly sting. Law was the accuser of all the brethren (Jn 5:45), a ministration of condemnation and a ministration of death (2Cor 3). In fact it flat out says whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Rom 14:23) and the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). You do the allegoric math and learn law imputes sin, to all, and sin brings forth death (1Cor 15:56; James 1:15) to all.

God did NOT send His Son to condemn(law) the world, not this, but rather that: the world through him might be saved. (John 3)

Law was a schoolmaster which failed every student... none of such attained to the righteousness of the law because their is no righteousness in such leftteousness... these all died and received NOT the promise... and all who died under Moses' law died "without mercy" (since there is no mercy in pure law, only in a mixture of grace + law, but such is as being saved + destroyed after (as happened to all in Jude 5).

It may help you to learn law had an expiry date (fulness of the time for such), and expired so long ago it is now so old it is ready to vanish (Heb 8:13) and shall vanish (1Cor 13: .

Every good mystery writer likes to bait and hook readers as deeply and quickly as possible. No other myster writer has hooked more fishies unaware than old Moses, using the bait of "In the beginning God" (as if God had any beginning...Not)

The POINT is y(our) learning, for as the Bible Translators said: "it is preposterous order to teach first and learn after", as preposterous as being a Childish-adult, who is unaware that claiming to be espoused to His Grace and then being found whoring with law is not only hypocrisy, but Adult-ery.

Love is not a law, not unless you're still doing the law law thing of Rom 8, which is only half way from Rom 1 to Rom 16, which doesn't end with any law at all, nor does the Bible.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen. (where ye find any law in such an end of law boggles me)
TgooLJCwya. Amen.
Daniel Miles
www.godshew.org
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Ahyh's Reply:
Thank you. Ahyh