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Re: Seek and find


We cannot own wisdom. We can only experience wisdom. Wisdom cannot be classified nor can it be truly defined. We cannot take wisdom, therefore we cannot give it. With that as guidance, truth can be revealed. Authors of stories in the New Testament, also invented the subject of their writings.

CONGRATULATIONS on acquiring yourself “doctorate” in “SPIRITUAL WISDOM”!! (grace wisdom) :-D
Let us learn about “spiritual wisdom”, ER.. I mean “grace wisdom”. :-D
Saul of Tarsus. (founder of Christianity; 1 Corinthians chapter 3, verse 10) could not understand what Jesus meant when he spoke of a “Kingdom within”. Saul never heard the teachings of Jesus, therefore he never experienced the power of his words. All he had for reference were stories told by the disciples and a list of sayings by Jesus, being circulated at that time. As a result we have a superstitious, mythological religion, supported by theological interpretations, made by narcissistic, greedy men.
The nature of being wise is knowing HOW things ARE a certain way, as well as knowing WHY things ARE a certain way. Saul could not understand WHY things Jesus said, are a certain way nor could he comprehend or PROVE, HOW things he said, are a certain way. Jesus spoke only of REAL things while Saul, being superstitious, could only think of GHOSTS!!! How very clever of Saul to suggest truth seekers who could not comprehend ghosts and spirits lacked “spiritual wisdom”.
Without personal contact with Jesus, Saul was unable to link his worldly interpretations to the information provided by the disciples. To make his worldly, superstitious concepts seem valid, he invented a “spiritual” realm and incorporated that into his chaotic ideology.
Unable to explain or prove any fundamentals of “spiritual wisdom”, Saul attacked those suspecting a hoax, saying they were blinded by “worldly wisdom”.(law wisdom)!! :-D. That, he claimed made intelligent men with REAL WISDOM (law wisdom) stupid, dooming them to another of his inventions, HELL!!!!!!! That “ghost” induced fear allowed him to teach nonsense and mythology to the ignorant masses. (People who claim “spiritual wisdom” do not have wisdom necessary to realize, it does not exist).
Saul's strange and unproven ideas were challenged rather severely, by the Corinthians who were wise to his method. How they reasoned, could some one desiring proof of “ghost and spirits” be STUPID?? In fact his religion was ridiculed for hundreds of years until a devious Roman Ruler, Constantine helped form it into a useful tool.
The world and humanity are better because of WORLDLY WISDOM!!! Without it, sick people would still be sitting beside a pool at Bethesda, waiting for the water to stir!!! So called “SPIRITUAL WISDOM” has placed this world and it's inhabitants in great peril.

Re: Seek and find

Iam Thatiam, Grace, mercy, and peace, from God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord. Seems...

in your rant, you are yet unable to distinguish Saul & Paul, nor yet able to see from the NT narrative how even when he became Paul, after being Saul, he was still a CJ, in Acts (noted in Galatians 2:4), but later became a JC, in Romans - Philemon, then preaching and teaching the gospel of "Christ", not of Jesus, and notably "through our Lord Jesus Christ".

In 1Corinthians 3:10,11, Paul doesn't call himself founder of Christianity, but notes the only "foundation" laid to build upon is "Jesus Christ", which is like saying that foundation is "grace and truth" (as if in contrast to law and lie)...

For in John 1:17 it contrasts law & grace, of Moses & Jesus Christ, allegory as if contrasting lie & truth. Then in John 17:2-4 it notes "the only true God" sent only "Jesus Christ" (not "Christ Jesus") to give only "eternal life" (not "life eternal"); For "Christ Jesus" is reverse of "Jesus Christ', and "life eternal' is reverse of "eternal life", in the allegoric manner law is reverse of grace, which is why tiem got split into BC/AD, and are accounted as Bwd/Fwd.

Similar with contrasting Law Wisdom & Grace Wisdom:
- Law is not from above nor pure, but earthy, sensual, devilish
- Grace is from above and pure,
as allegory contrasted in James 3:15-17

Yes, law is not only natural, but also spiritual, but then it's called "spiritual wickedness" in high places. In contrast grace is spiritual, but never wickedness.

Hopefully you will soon see the difference, and stop arguing, so we may have a fruitful discussion. Grace is not against any, but with you all from above, as pure wisdom from God.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be/is] with you all. Amen.

Re: Seek and find

My, my Daniel. How easy it is for you to copy words written by men you do not know...
I've never considered an argument with you. I give to you logic. You in turn offer mythology. I give you truth backed by reality and nature. You offer magic and superstition. I present a case against ghost and spirits using the lack thereof as proof. You offer writings of superstitious ignorant men thousands of years dead. You have learned nothing between then and now. I question the writings of those dead men and you defend them with their own writings! The world has not stood still during the past two thousand years. Much “water” has moved beneath the bridge and around your “island” built on sands of superstition. You constantly defend your commitment to the words you tout as your salvation. Truth needs no defense.
You have a name but you are not your name. You do not know yourself. You are John, Mathew, Paul and others. You recite every word they wrote, yet have none of your own. You are an empty vessel decorated by others, in a niche of your choosing. There are WORDS HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW among and within those you recite! Those words offer FREEDOM FROM THE SHACKLES OF FEAR AND DELUSION.
I do not fear that which I cannot see! I do not fear that which I cannot hear or touch! I see clouds when I look at the sky. I hear thunder and know it's source. I know what causes the earth to shake. I know the nature of life and where it began. That knowledge is revealed to those who seek. A thing hidden will not reveal its self.
I know about Paul. I know he unrighteously altered his name. I know him better than you do. I have the same KJV as you. There is nothing to discuss.
As I wrote, I have no argument with you. I first considered this a forum. Forums have diversity in opinions. I have not restrained my opinions which at times, are quite controversial to your theme. However no one but you replies. I assume there is no traffic or perhaps those who do not reply.... agree.

Re: Seek and find

Dear Iam Thatiam, I wish you Grace, mercy, and peace, from God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord.

It's not 'mythology' I share, but what I finally learned when I humbly asked the God who "upbraideth not" for His Wisdom, since mine had failed. You may also ask that God, when ready to let go of natural things and get on with spiritual things.

Heck, even when "spiritual" of natural/spiritual, there's still "comparing spiritual things with spiritual" to do. Why? For even when "spirit" mode of soul/spirit, there's still both "spirit of error" & "spirit of truth" to yet sort out.

You would do well to look closer at writings of Paul, as his logic is not linear nor circular, but a dialectic logic that first looks at both sides of children vs children, then afterward concludes neither, since both such are childish.

The purpose of the forum is to discuss, not argue. Nobody really wins if argue, for it's still lose/win battle mode & duality; So even when it's an assume win: aka be right to make others wrong, it's not the end of battle (FightClub) mode, and perhaps more like self-condemnation, by f-law judging others.

It's like nobody really wins in a court of law, for it's just law vs law, neither yet grace.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ [be/is] "with" you all. Amen.