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Re: re6ligious nutters

Thanks for the info no quick answer to this message I delivered except this no alleged God to intervene so man I suppose will go on doing the shit he does until life as we know it fails as long as religion keeps its false tongue out of humans way we will be able finish each other off

Re: re6ligious nutters

The same book that binds ignorance to superstition, which are the main ingredients for religion, will also be it's undoing. Most people are unable to liberate their minds from the avalanche of mythology they are subjected to from infancy. First one must take “god” from the sky, place it beneath the feet, and use the fear of doing so to motivate a search for reality.

Re: religious nutters

The story goes that man was given a free will to make choices and decisions. God gave man the earth and all the critters, and gave man dominion over it all. He put mankind in charge. First couple was in good fellowship with God. Remember, they walked and talked with Him.
Let's not overlook that when the first couple disobeyed God, they broke fellowship with God, and not only did this result in man developing a sin nature, but it affected everything in the earth, as well as the descendants of first man.

God is not a micro-manager, nor does He violate a man's free will. He allows us to live however we choose. Though He desires close and personal relationship with each and every human being, He allows a person to seek to meet and know Him, without force. He wants it to be their idea.

Mankind has proven over recorded history that he just can't get along with each other or do what is right in the eyes of God. Because of man's sin nature and the abuse of his free will, people do bad things to other people. People get hurt by other people. This isn't God's fault. God gave man complete charge, remember? Collective man can take ALL the credit for man's inhumanities. Cruel to family, cruel to others, cruel to animals ... You name it.

God has already communicated that Christ will return to collect His people who love Him when the time comes. But right now, we are living in an age of time when God is building His Church. Until then, He allows mankind to do whatever they choose, and there will be a judgement day. Death is a natural part of this life. And it doesn't mean its the end for the innocent and god's people.

Re: religious nutters

Thanks HearMeOut for sharing your opinion. Grace, mercy, and peace, from God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord. I liked how you shared that God does not want to force himself on people, rather let it be their idea; Yet this would be the God of all grace, and not the Law God in the story. For Law will always try to FORCE itself on everyone. Pure Grace does not.

For me, I finally had to ask the God who "upbraideth not" (noted in James 1:5) for His wisdom, because no matter how diligent I was, my own wisdom failed me. Only then did I began to get revelations and study hints from the Spirit of truth, to help guide (lead, not drive) me into all truth of all grace; Until I, of my own free will, put away all my legalism.

It was a like a three stage process:
OT Law → NT BetterLaw → Pure Grace is neither of Law1/Law2.

For me, learning about grace, mercy, peace also involved unlearning many erroneous things I had been taught by men, and believed to be true, when still one of "them", and even when the better them of them1/them2 (like Jesus first divided them into them1/them2 in Mt 13:11), which is not [yet] "us" of them/us in the biblical story. For,
upon revelation & study, I learned this:

Plural (elohyim) God (Gen 1) both created(bara) & made(asah) things, and then did NOT say let us create(bara) man, but DID SAY "let us make(asah) man" in Gen 1:26A; Yet also gave two before/after scenarios to play out for comparison in Gen 1:26B:
- Before: "in our image(tselem)", and
- After: "after our likeness(d@muwth)"
SO THEN,
"created" is not "made", and "image" is not "likeness".

But Then, in Gen 1:27 KJV plural God did this:
- created(bara) man in image(tselem) mode, as male & female Adam1, called "THEM" (of them/us). Seems plural God did such to set the stage for the Before part of a Before/After shew(unique KJV plural of show).
WHY?

Seems Ephesians 2:10 KJV explains it this way:
Even "we" (of they/we) first got "created" (of created/made) in "Christ Jesus" (of Christ Jesus/Jesus Christ; As if in "image" of image/likeness) to firstly walk in them (of them/us), which is the before (of before/after)... THEN
1Peter 5:10 KJV explains the "AFTER" of before/after:
The God of all grace (no law at all) makes you (of ye/you) perfect, AFTER ye suffer a while (not for ever) in CJ (of CJ/JC); Which is allegory like being made in the likeness of image/likeness. For the image mode is mirrorly the reverse of left/right, to right/left

What's the point of all this/that? Our learning... to learn Law is not Grace, and even BetterLaw is not [yet] Pure Grace.

So TheEnd to ENDure unto, does not mention law at all, only grace, and only the (pure) grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is not against any, but rather "with you all" from above the duality of law/grace on high:

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be/is] with you all. Amen.