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Re: The first evil

Thanks Iam Thatiam for sharing, from Genesis 1-3, your thoughts re first evil, even though off a bit on your chapter numbers (no matter). Seems if we have both a tree of life AND a tree of knowledge of good and evil, as first noted in Gen 2:9, such can end with evil, even after good.

Heck, even in Jesus' Mt 12:33's twain (either or) contrast of either make the tree & fruit good or corrupt, such still ends bad: corrupt. Why? It's still law, not grace = good only. Law is both good and evil, ends bad: with evil: reverse of live. Seems that's the point of Jesus' ministry, to show why law needed to be abolished.

Seems why, in 1Corinthians 13:5 KJV, it notes about "charity" (grace 'agape'), that charity "thinketh no evil": neither to punish nor forgive, because evil is reverse of live; And eternal life, being life void of death (not life after death), is only about live. Seems why JC said, thrice, he is not God of the dead, but God of the living; As if to allegory say he is not law, but grace.

Hey, I learned something nifty about Genesis 2:16+17 being allegory as if grace + law; Whereby Gen 2:17 WAS the law given BY Moses in John 1:17 (before other law given thru Moses). So Gen 2:16+17 are as plural & contrary "commandments": every tree + not every tree, and if such twain be mingled it makes an oxymoron. So the "law of commandments" Christ abolished in Eph 2:15 was Gen 2:17; for God is not an oxymoron, nor author of confusion. Eg:

Gen 2:16 = every tree, and freely given = Grace (above: Gen 1:7)
Gen 2:17 = not every tree = law given BY Moses = Law (under: 1:7)

So when male & female Adam ate from Gen 2:17 it's allegory like fallen from grace to law. Hence why LORD asks Adam: where [art] thou? As if to ask where are you if fallen from grace (above) to law (under): has an under-taker.

Indeed,'The mouth can cause wars and create chaos'. Seems why James 3:10-12 allegory notes law = bless + curse ought not be spoken, nor given amen if spoken, for it's like sweet + bitter; Perhaps why Eph 4:31 says put away bitterness; For it would be like a Jesus twain in Mt 12:37, whereby it's both justified + condemned by your own words = bad end: self-condemned, which Romans 2:1 says is the result of law judging.

Interesting stuff.

Re: The first evil


The Old Testament is the foundation of the New testament. Therefore it would be wise to attempt to detail how they DO correlate. The Old Testament is not negative and the New testament is not positive. The Old Testament is based on the laws of Nature. The faults and transgression of mankind toward the laws of nature and each other are consistently subject to related consequences. Mankind cannot violate the laws of nature without total retribution by nature. When a man transgresses the morality of another man there is a natural reaction by the victim. Authors of the New Testament have written their own personal laws which constantly morph to satisfy the needs of a conglomeration of rites and rituals called religion.
A law of nature is that all humans are born NAKED. There is no natural repulsion generated by naked. There are cultures today that do not know NAKED is “vile”. Some naked cultures fell victim to fanatic religious zealots who informed them naked is a sin.
The human body is the source of naked which is the source of sin. The body is a witness to naked as well as the prosecutor. Naked does not exist without the body and that particular sin cannot exist without naked. The sole solution to that problem is to cover naked.
Good allegedly became known in the same instant evil became known. Good is an act or process while evil has substance. Sin(evil) is a moral or physical transgression toward mankind. Placing a fig leaf over sin(evil) was good in that it hid sin(evil). The fig leaf was not good but the act of covering sin(evil) was good. Evil cannot be converted to good. The shame/sin of seeing naked cannot be reversed. When a person commits sin(evil) that person becomes that sin(evil). That evil will exist as long as the person who committed that sin(evil) is present even if the evil is forgiven.
Forgiveness does not eliminate sin(evil). Forgiveness is not good but the act of forgiving is good. Forgiveness is the same as a fig leaf. Forgiveness covers sin(evil) but it's still there.
Because naked is a sin and naked is immortal all sin is immortal. Sin may be covered or forgiven but it never goes away. Sin can alter the destiny of mankind. Good can alter the destiny of mankind. Having knowledge of “good and evil” has altered the destiny of the world.
Your critique of my last post is way off center as usual. You should attempt to look At things with both eyes. There is heat and there is cold. There is light and there is dark. Cold is the absence of heat. Dark is the absence of light. That's relative to old and new..

Re: The first evil

Iam Thatiam,
Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thanks again for sharing. Sorry you felt I was critiquing. I'm not; also just sharing things I learned.

Re Old/New Testaments, I found the New calls itself a "better testament" having a "better covenant" than the Old. Hebrews, kinda written as if a mini bible itself, addresses how PluralGod provided "better" things for us than for them, of such allegoric them/us scenarios.

In Hebrews 8:13 KJV it says:
"In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away".

Yet it seems we have to get in Christ mode, of through Jesus→Christ, for all things to become new, by old things passing away. For Jesus mode still has both new + old, by still having both salvation + damnation. Seems the reconciliation process, by & unto that God (can't lie or die), is only done in Christ mode, of through Jesus→Christ→↑unto God↑.

Eg: 2Cor 5:17 ... 19 KJV says:
"Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new"... "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation".

Hey, I like your mention (aka insight) of 'Forgiveness does not eliminate sin(evil)... Forgiveness covers sin(evil) but it's still there'. I came to the same conclusion, upon finally noticing these things:

- The first "Blessed" of 2 in Romans 4:7,8 is like DiapperBlessed, aka just a CoverUp, which can later get UnCovered by Luke 12:2. Seems we have a lot of such UnCovering going on now, to reveal the pew is not yet flushed, only covered up. So we have to move on, from LawBlessed in Rom 4:7 to GraceBlessed in Rom 4:8 has no sin imputed to forgive nor cover up.
Eg: Romans 4:7,8 KJV:
4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

- In KJV, which uses both "love" and "charity" for 'agape' (as if to distinguish law 'agape' can wax cold from grace 'agape' never fails), it notes in 1Cor 13:5 that charity "thinketh no evil"; So neither to punish nor forgive; And in Col 3:12-15 "charity" is put on "above" forgiving, which is the higher above of 2 kinds of "above" in Col 3:1-15: 'ano' & 'epi' in Greek mode. I didn't see that until the Spirit prompted me to study it out.

So it's allegory like a 3rd stage in the biblical narrative. Eg:
OT Law → NT BetterLaw → ↑Grace↑ = neither of Law1/Law2

Seems why it mentions, in Hebrews, that there's still two houses in the new covenant: Israel ←&→ Judah; And our Lord ↑sprang↑ out of Judah, to go "higher than the heavens" on high, to thereby be-come the "harmless" us, which is above the them/us duality on high. So the conclusion of Hebrews is not Law, nor BetterLaw, but "Grace [be] with you all. Amen".

Yes, there's both darkness and light in duality mode of PluralGod; But "that God" in 2Cor 5:19 (who reconciles the world unto himself) seems to be described in 1John 1:5 as light having no darkness in him at all. Eg: 1John 1:5 KJV:
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all".

Perhaps the "allegory" aspect of such is "that God" is grace having no law in him at all; Kinda like "the only true God" in John 17:3 would have no lie (of lie/truth), and "the God of all grace" would have no law (of law/grace) in 1Peter 5:10, which comes "after" of before/after scenarios.

Interesting stuff to ponder and discuss.