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Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Daniel-
I might be misunderstanding your thoughts. Could you answer a couple of questions? It would help.

1.
Who wrote/produced the bible in this shew/dream?

2.
How will this shew/dream end and why does it exist?

3.
Do you believe the bible is for our learning?

4.
Why do you write in the style you do?

Thank you Sir.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Tweety Star,

I now Greet with Grace→Mercy→↑Peace↑=3rdOf3, b/c
if peace of Revelation 1:4's Grace→peace=2ndOf2,
said peace can get taken away in Revelation 6:4;
And apocalypse scenario has no men-tion of mercy.

So when you mention 'Father', I think "Merciful",
from Lk 6:36's be merciful as (y[ou)r] Father is;
And AsIf ↑Above↑ both Under Law -vs- Under Grace,
for where(?) art thou, even if still Under Grace?

Seems why heart should be e-stablished With Grace,
which is then Neither UnderTheLaw Nor UnderGrace;
AsIf then Above both Under sides have Under-taker,
Perhaps b/c Under Grace is still only Better Law.

As to u posing more questions, seems tad un-fair,
you should dodge my question, then pose more Q's.
Yet now like our discussion more than any debate.

Re: Who wrote/produced bible in this shew/dream?
Seems we agree neither this shew/dream are real.

I share (not tell) it seems an allegoric "mystery".
Paul, in such narrative, says it's Asif "allegory";
Eg: "mother" of us all is Jerusalem which is above,
Yet even "her" wisdom perhaps NotYet "pure" wisdom;

So, no bible authors are even literal or historical.
Only best script-u-are called in-spired of God, to
help u get thru (good/better)→↑best↑ = higher rest.

So if lack wisdom, "ask God" who "upbraideth not".
It's what I did, after I was advice from failure.
I asked for AllTruth, even if it made me a liar.

I now see it as an AsIf, that somehow manifests;
A WhatIf, that if begun, has to end well for all,
and ended so it never happened, nor ever will.

WhatIf someone, say Moses, added f-law to grace,
Then perhaps f-law may add sacrifice unto mercy,
and then sacrifice may add confusion unto peace,
especially if such WhatIf adds death unto life.

Yet it seems necessary for flesh to be crucified,
AsIf end psuche life of psuche/zoe to begin zoe;
AsIf born again from above sees twain is not one,
and even better of twain NotYet above such twain.

Re: How will shew/dream end & why does it exist?
Seems we agree 'this' does not even really exist.

How, seems to pose Paul's Q: How shall we escape?
Escape How, seems to be by give more earnest heed.
Escape What, seems potential wrath if still f-law,
as still them of them/us if no wrath posed for us.
Yet the NotEscape/Escape is still them/us duality,
and even Right side of twain is still part-iality.
So NotYet TheOnlyTrueGod if God has no partiality.

Why, seems written for our learning, to ↓go↓ learn,
what? "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" means.
Then ↑come↑ now, and let us reason such, together.

Re: Do you believe the bible is for our learning?
Seems even we, of they/we, have more to learn yet.

It's how I've learned what I now share, after learn.
It's a preposterous order to teach 1st, learn after.

Re: Believe of Believe/Know
Upgrade seems leave believe mode to kNOW TheTruth;
For believers can believe all sorts of non truths,
such as God spake, to us, by prophets, in time past.
When Heb's 1:1,2 clarifies God spoke, to us, by Son.

So, know the truth makes you free of believing lies.
For every good mystery has lots of twists, till end.
So we ought not ass-u-me nor judge until ended well;
End well being AsIf it never happened nor ever will,
when no men-tion of any f-law nor of decease to any.

Seems NotYet though. Eg: a new 'bible' problem:
Most modern bibles remove "Christ" from their end;
So perhaps we have to ENDure their fault-y ending,
for their end "shall be according to their works":
They changed end by remove Christ, add partialty.

So we now see uprising of damnation(krISIS), again.
After being told also leave resurrection of the dead,
to go on unto perfection has NoDead to even resurrect.

Re: Why do you write in the style you do?
My web pages were written a decade ago to please google.
Since then, cmpt changed, can't access to change style.
So only thing I can access now is this uncensored forum.

Style I used was share info, but keep a mystery aspect.
Thought of cancel, let vanish, but many find it useful.
Then we discuss by email or as u did, by post on forum.

Re my emails, and forum posts, I use a Pauline Format:
- Greet: with grace only
--discuss: law/grace duality
- Salute: with grace only
AsIf only safe way to even mention law,
AsIf to sandwich quarantine the discuss,
AsIf discuss = look at some deadly virus
For even men-tion of law may manifest death,
if law not quarantined (bound), then flushed.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be/is] with you all. Amen.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Daniel-
You are correct. I did not answer your questions. I will attempt to do so now.

"So why are we still having 'this' discussion, and
AsIf we are in some one and another DUALity mode,
where another might accuse one of fallen, asleep??

The statement was not understood. It was not meant as s dig or insult. We all "feel asleep" by our own choice. We feel asleep to enter into this illusion to learn things that are not possible to learn at home in eternity. There are not two hands of Father (DUAL-ism). Father is perfection and light. Death and such non-sense can't exist in reality, which is the light of eternity. This is why "f-law" can not kill any spirit. Death is not real, but only causes fear.

"Why do you say:
'Perceive outer darkness and open your eyes'?
Seems, to me, that's light + darkness Duality;
AsIf say even-ing + mourn-ing, after say Light.
I thought we were discussing enLIGHTend ONLY."

(I'm not saying you are like below. Read all unless you re-act scene number 1.)
Outer darkness is the state of religion. They fear and tremble at a being called "God". A being they hold secretly in disgust, but uplift and worship due to fear. They fear not death, but eternal torment and torture, a hellish mess to be in. They get "saved" and hope to the last drop they can spend eternity with this "God" they fear and hold in disgust.

The bible is not for our learning, but for our pity. To soak up and throw up. What is a spirit with free will and no experience? Imagine you know not a lie and a lie is created for real. This would make a lie out of all and to all a good night.

So to perceive outer darkness is to open our eyes and awaken from the slumber of our choosing.

To set off a nuclear bomb in a video game is none to blame, but to do in reality is something of shame. (Yes I know nuclear bombs are BS even is this illusion. Just a nightmare scare tactic).

The point in question is the answer. Who wrote the "Little Good Book" so often quoted in this world of shew and illusion? Shall we dare remove the vale and make churchy folk turn pale? NO! Everyone takes the test themselves. There is no time limit and retakes are eternal. Let us not be not a chatty little child, but a silent and merciful vault who speaks when opened by the curious ready to awake. All things "vanish" when illusion is seen. What shall you make vanish? The point in question is the answer. Who is behind the vale and who might turn pale?

Peace and Understanding.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Tweety,

Grace, Mercy, and Peace to the point of
ONEderful: Graceful=Merciful=Peaceful.

Thank you for sharing. AsIf God Clues.

Yet if I may ask how do you get, from
no such leaven in eternity heaven, to
this illusion is AsIf fallen, asleep?

You allude it's by choice, AsIf take a test.
You say it is to learn, and retakes if fail;
Yet u also say Bible is not for our learning,
and all religion darkness, even pure religion.

Isn't it AsIf fallen, from grace, to f-law,
And fallen from perfection unto ill-u-sion?

Does fault-find religion solve this problem?
And why do u mention science, but not grace?

Hey, I agree with much of what you shared,
but it's beginning to sound like sci karma,
which when analyzed is not yet merciful.

I suggest let all illusion vanish,
so all things seen perfect, only;
Rather than 'all things vanish',
sounds like an extinction event.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Under-standing? Isn't it
Under and not yet at rest?

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Daniel-
What is pure religion? Religion is of this world and not of eternity, so how can it be pure?

Grace is also of this world and not eternity. Why do we need grace if the sickness of this place is only but as a dream?

Science of karma is of this world too. It does not come back around as if it never was.

God clues are as useless as Blue's clues. Why do you seek what you are? You are eternity.

The only is, is our spirit and where our spirit now rests.

What will biblical Paul tell us? What we already know within our spirit? He listened to another spirit over his own and made story. Is this the story we are to learn from? Is this a story to teach from?

I tell you plainly. The Bible is from God. God only lives in the evil hearts of men, which is created in this illusion. Our Father exists in eternity which is not of this world, so God is of and was created in this world.

To seek God is not rest, but illusion. As all we see, hear and read is illusion. Seek inside as not to be under-standing illusion.

To speak grace is to speak nothingness. If we live by grace, then we have not yet been perfected, which in eternity we are and always have been. So were does grace reside? Where does God reside? Nowhere but in our illusion.

I tell you plainly friend. Awaken.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Tweety,
Interesting conversation,
many points make sense.


RE Religion is of the world

Pure Religion vs Vain Religion
Pure is without flaws, not a mixture of pure and impurities; but for me the question is: Would we be delivered from evil? for me the answer is: we are delivered from the flaw, the impurity, the illusion that was in the world, the illusion that takes the existence into non-existence.

For me the bible is a book with a hook that it will not let go until all ends well. And even more interesting the world seems to mirror the bible where there is also mystery to solve and find what is best for all.

Re God clues are as useless as Blue's clues. Why do you seek what you are? You are eternity.

Punny statement, since law takes away shine and brings blues, you remind me of myself before discovering the mystery of the enmity, when I thought that bad+good dualism where the same entity not able to discern the good,
like a eating a nut with the bitter shell, might as well spit the whole thing. But when we peel the shell then we get the best of shell/nut.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Jose-

Thank you for the response.

Actually I do not believe in bad + good dualism at all. Father is only good and does not even know bad. He would not even use bad as a teaching tool or a mystery.

The Biblical God has nothing to do with our Father. We create bad all by ourselves right here. Why here? Bad does not and can not exist in eternity (reality).

Tweety :)

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

I use to think the same thing, then I realized one very important part of this conversation that is being misinterpreted. Children vs Maturity,
Bad vs Good.... Duality whether you think you know the difference is justification in individuality.

In this fucked up terminology; one very important factor, watching those live: or watching those die. Life is God you arrogant obnoxious piece of shit: asking stupid questions doesn't make you smart, it makes you a fool who can't answer his own obsession. You choose your life based on mediocrity and you choose death in being nothing.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Indeed,
Grace(ToGraceful)→mercy(ToMerciful)→↑peace↑(ToPeaceful),
from God, "our" Father, and Jesus→↑Christ↑ "our" Lord.

Seems we 1st have to let go of bwd to ↓down-ward↓:
of such ↓"worst"↓←worse←bad only occurs in TimePast,
(aka "worst" only occurs once, and only in OldTestament)
to begin, again, move in for-ward mode to ↑up-ward↑ mode:
of good→better→↑best↑ to get unto true ↑rest↑ of story.

For if better or worse duality, such seems to end worse;
kinda like none of these duality scenarios end well:
Matthew 12:30-37
- with and/or against, ends against
...
- justified and/or condemned, ends condemned
Mark 16:16
saved, but if also damned, ends with damned

So 2SonsJesus mode can reverse the duality things,
especially if Son of man added to Son of God mode,
Asif kinda like adding f-law to grace is sufficient.


Eg: if having 2 resurrections in 2SonsJesus mode,
Resurrections OfLife(zoe) + OfDamnation(krISIS);
John 5:29 can end with crISIS uprising, again,
which is what(?) we hear of in (plural) news.

Hope that made some sense. Interesting stuff.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Last Adam-
You said:
"In this fucked up terminology; one very important factor, watching those live: or watching those die. Life is God you arrogant obnoxious piece of shit: asking stupid questions doesn't make you smart, it makes you a fool who can't answer his own obsession. You choose your life based on mediocrity and you choose death in being nothing."
-----------------------------------
Thank you for the nice and thoughtful words Adam. Did your "God" teach you this? You sound just like him.

Have a great evening Sir. I wish you well in your search for the true Father.
Tweety.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

"My God" didn't teach me anything: for I am God. Knowing tweedle dee and tweedle dum is seeking "the true Father", at this point all you have to know is start asking the proper questions and stay away from the conspiracy you seek: ask proper questions and you will gain a proper answer; ask a rhetorical question and you will get a rhetorical answer.

If you really want to know the truth then you have to want to know it, do not act passive aggressive in mocking those who do. The next time you come in acting like you have it all figured out, just remember that you have a lot to learn whether you know it or not: most of it is growing up.

"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:6

"Have a great evening Sir. I wish you well in your search for the true Father.
Tweety."

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Last Adam,
Grace, mercy, and peace, from
God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thank you for sharing from Ephesians 4:6, but
looking at Eph 4:4-6 KJV we notice [There is]
7 "one"s mentioned, "AND" Father = "above all" 7.
To see it better, I reversed & numbered such list:

- Father of all, who [is] ↑above↑ all, and through all, and in you all.
7 - one God "AND"↑
6 - one baptism↑,
5 - one faith↑,
4 - one Lord↑,
3 - one hope of your calling↑;
2 - one Spirit, even as ye are called in↑
1 - one body, and↑

So, before we rip Tweety a new asshole, by ass-u-me his flusher is plugged, let's notice "Father" = ↑above↑ all seven is similar to Paul & Peter lists which place charity(thinketh no evil: neither to punish nor forgive, so never fails) when at the ↑top↑ of lists. Again, to see it better, I'll reverse & number such:

Paul: Colossians 3:12-15 KJV list:
- Charity: is put on ↑above↑ all 7
7 - forgiving one another = one & another duality
6 - forbearing one another = one & another duality
5 - longsuffering
4 - meekness
3 - humbleness of mind
2 - kindness
1 - bowels of mercies, of holy & beloved elect

Peter: 2Peter 1:5-9 KJV list:
- Charity: is ↑above↑ all 7
7 - brotherly kindness
6 - godliness
5 - patience
4 - temperance
3 - knowledge
2 - virtue
1 - your faith

So when it comes to Our Father, which art in heaven (above all plural old/new heavens, even both new heavens created & made), and to Hallowed Be THY name; It would seem Our Father and the hallowed name thereof, is a higher grace than grace on high. For grace of law←vs→grace on high is still "over against", and partiality, and highminded, even double minded in duality mode.

So, in a punny allegoric way, Tweety has a point, about Father being above all the ill-u-sion of dual-ism beneath such ↑above↑.

It was my own experience that such a God (Father) who "upbraideth not", in James 1:5, doesn't even engage in conversation with double minded = unstable ppl in James 1:8, until they are ready to leave duality mode and go on, from truth + lies, to AllTruth. For in AllTruth mode there's no one & another, rather only one.

Which is like allegory saying in AllTruth mode none of this shit they/we perceive happening is real. It's all some sort of illusion, AsIf strong delusion from a God we all ought to put away, if such a God would send ppl delusion to believe lies, and thereby damn them, as noted in 2Thessalonians 2:11.

Interesting stuff.

The ↑grace↑ of our Lord Jesus→↑Christ↑ [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Awesome job Daniel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bds3FALcR7M

You ever had a dream come true Daniel? Wake up go to work, go to the mall, go buy food and you find yourself where you were in bed the night before?

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

An Old Testament prophet named Daniel had "night visions", some quite dreadful & terrible.

For example in one of such night visions he saw one like Son of man who came with clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and was given dominion. This grieved Daniel in his spirit within his body and troubled his head.

Fast forwarding to Romans 3:4 we find every 'anthropos' man is a liar; And Son of man='anthropos'="liar".

Fast forwarding to Revelation we find in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man.

So Daniel was finally told shut up and seal it.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

My "Night" visions are very much the opposite. Daniel had "Nightmares", mine are in Providence; a life of beauty: precious. I am not lying to you when I say my dreams come true, nightmares unseen.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Last Adam,
Glad to hear your Night dreams are nice.
Law does this in good mode of good + evil;
But if law is not flushed, it ends badly.


And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. ~Genesis 1:5 ... which things are an allegory ~Galatians 4:24

Seems light = Day = Grace,
and darkness = Night = Law.

Allegory Eg: Amos 5:18 KJV:
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD!
to what end [is] it for you?
the day of the LORD [is]
darkness (law), and not light (grace).

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

You don't get what I am saying. My dreams are coming true. On a daily basis, not based on success and reading a magazine about my future dreams. My dreams are coming true as reality....

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Last Adam,
ok, give us an example

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

I tried, you "spammed" me.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

I did not spam you.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Hey Last Adam

I used to see some of my dreams
to come true, but some not
so, NotTrue + YesTrue = NotTrue
Is like porno, images are true
the screen of my cmpt, the mouse,
but the act is fake, is simulated,
is staged, is feigned.
I don't want nothing fake
I want the REAL thing.

Adam1 + Adam2 = Fake(Death)

1Co 15:45 And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Jesus1 + Jesus2 = Greater Damnation Mat. 23:14; Mark 12:40;
Master + Master = we perish Luk 8:24
peace + safety = sudden destruction Psa. 4:8; 1Th. 5:3;
Law + Grace = Law
If True And False Then False
Real Teeth + Fake Teeth = Fake Teeth

So how do we get REAL:
END the dual crap a.k.a. f-law
hence the end of the law is Christ
not 2SonJesus, the old STEPing stone
the rock of offense, the pinnacle of law

they say "Keep it simple stupid"
but they by good words deceive the heart of the simple
but words of plural god are not the word of god is one Heb 4:12;

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

I am not the "Second" Adam. I am the "Last" Adam(Third - End).

My dreams are very much real. I had a dream one time where my Mom's car was stolen, I called her and told her about the dream and the next day her car was stolen. I know y'all think I am crazy, but it's happening to me, and I have found those who it has happened to as well. I can't control what I thought I had a choice in, because this apparent destiny is happening as I speak.

"So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first." Mathew 20:8

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

If you haven't figured out what I am saying yet, it means I am Satan.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit? (For Last Adam)

Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Re: Words on Paper or Unchangeable Spirit?

Tweety,
Three best wishes: Grace, Mercy, Peace = Peace that lasts b/c it's 3rdOf3, not just 2ndOf2 can be taken away after.

I agree there's an element of blindness until we go thru all 9 fruit of Spirit in Galatians 5 to achieve temperance = self control = no more law governor; Especially since Gal 4 notes observing days, and months, and times, and years = bond-age...

And yet still an element of blindness until we also add all 7 things to our faith in 2Peter 1:5-9; AsIf only then living zoe life, of ↓psuche↓/↑zoe↑ lives, and then by the higher faith of the Son of God, instead of by our own faith (the end thereof our faith being only the salvation of the soul, of soul/spirit, leaving more yet in spirit mode to go on unto after graduating from soul mode to spirit mode (to be more than a living soul).

So, in the ↓lists↑ of ↓Gal5↓ & ↑2Pet1↑, we begin with "love", but end with perfected love called "charity" (grace 'agape'), which never fails like "love" (law 'agape') does in Mt 24:12. Charity is also finally put on above forgiving one another in Col 3:12-15, since above2, of above1 & above2 in Col 3, there is not both one and another duality, only one. Aka no such leaven in higher heaven, where no evil is even thought, neither to punish nor forgive, since forgive is still one and another duality, even if the duality is God forgiving you.

I find biblical Paul tells us it's all "allegory" in both covenants (testaments), and "mystery" to solve, by find and apply all 3rdOf3's (like good, acceptable, perfect in Rom 12:2), since 2ndOf3 things is still 2/3=0.666. Eg: a more excellent way is neither broad nor narrow minded, since both such are still highminded, which is what not to be.

I agree true God is good only; false God: aka plural God: being both good & evil, and both in TimePast & LastDays thereof, is what to put away. Seems why a mention of "the only true God", and mention of "the God of all grace", and mention of "the only wise God", and mention of the God who "upbraided not" is who to ask when still lacking wisdom, aka pure wisdom of pure religion from above no longer being like earthy wisdom or vain religion, where both UnderLaw & UnderGrace are still Under, so both still have jeopardy every hour of an Under-taker.

So, in a punny way, we're kinda saying the same things: aka forget Box1 & Box2 of plural eyes having lids that close + open to look outward, and focus on 3rd eye singleness inside, which is neither of twain, not even better one of twain, but one above twain duality;

I even agree Bible is words on paper written as an AsIf scenario, that when ended properly neither happened nor ever will happen;

Except you would put away all religion, even pure religion which only pays a visit (not a ran-some) to orphans (having no spiritual Father yet) and widows (having no spiritual husband yet); And even put away every God, even higher God, even put away the higher harmless pure grace thereof, which neither does harm nor receives harm. That sounds more like nothingness.

Seems we're here to learn what we are, what are heavenly name is, and how to hallow such a name of our Father, seems to be the same name as the name of our Lord JC, also the name by which ye are called to come, perhaps that heavenly name being pure grace, which is only merciful (never wrathful), and always peaceful (never con-fu-sion).

Seems why TheEnd already written to ENDure unto is
The ↑grace↑ of our Lord Jesus→↑Christ↑ with you all. Amen.