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Jonah and the Whale: Prometheus was the White Moon that looks like a Sperm Whale in Saturn's inner most orbit, who turned Jonah a Ghostly white with acid from the whale when ingested. Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Mathew 12:40

Chiun represented in the original post. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=KJV&strongs=H3594

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Grace, mercy, and peace, from
God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

What I found 'interesting' is Amos 5:18 KJV:
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD!
to what end [is] it for you?
the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.
(as if to allegory say LAW = darkness)

I also found it 'interesting' to notice in Mt 1:
the "generation" ('genesis') of Jesus Christ:
neither begins with Adam nor ends with Jesus
but begins with Abraham & ends with Christ;
For Galatians 3:16 notes "the seed" = Christ.
So it's different than "generations" of Adam,
and different than "genealogies" in Luke 3;
so Paul told both bishops (Timothy & Titus)
to avoid genealogies: 1Tim 1:4 & Tit 3:9.

I also found it 'interesting' to notice
NT Son of man = Son of 'anthropos'; And
every 'anthropos' is a liar: Romans 3:4;
and the number of the name in Rev 13:18
is the number of 'anthropos' man.

When comparing 'anthropos' and 'aner' man
it seems saved = impossible with 'anthropos',
but with God all things possible: Lk 18:26,27.
So let God be true, and
every "anthropos' a liar: Romans 3:4.
Head of every 'aner' man = Christ: 1Cor 11:3.
Christ is the end of the law: Romans 10:4.
So Paul says when he became 'aner' man,
he put away childish things (of 'anthropos').
No sin is imputed to 'aner' man: Romans 4:8.

Concerning "wisdom", I like James 1:5... 3:17.
1:5 says ask God who "upbraideth not" for wisdom;
3:17 notes it's full of mercy without partiality.
So 2:1 says have not faith(grace) with partiality,
2:13 warns of judgment without mercy if partiality.

The God who "upbraideth not" is 'interesting'; For
Jesus upbraided both before and after resurrected.
So it seems to be a different God than his Father.
Perhaps the God of all grace mentioned in 1Pet 5:10,
as "that God" is light void of darkness in 1Jn 1:5.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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The day before I posted this, I noticed Jose(Joshua - Johovah - Barnabas - Barjesus) was Jesus in Luke 3.

"Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi," Luke 3:29

Weird how things go in order.

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Grace, mercy, and peace from
God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Indeed, but my point, as what's mentioned to both bishops Timothy & Titus, was avoid genealogies: 1Tim 1:4 & Tit 3:9; For such become strivings about law = unprofitable & vain.

Luke 3 is like the "generations (genealogies) of Adam", as in Gen 5:1; But Matthew 1 is the "generation (genesis) of Jesus Christ" neither beginning at Adam nor ending at Jesus, but beginning at Abraham and ending at Christ (the seed: Galatians 3:16). Both Mt 1 & Lk 3 include Abraham & David, but Mt 1 is thru Solomon & Lk 3 is thru Nathan (who got David to condemn himself with his own mouth). Perhaps as different as Son of God and Son of man(adam); For as in Adam (Son of adam) all die; as if to allegory say in law: ministration of death: all die.

Even better law is not yet grace, and even grace of law vs grace is still over against, still partiality, not yet perfection. Perfection seems to require all truth, all grace, all light; Since even a little leaven can leaven the whole lump. So no leaven in higher heaven.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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Why does it say this in Mathew 1?

It mentions it Three times? "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."

Also? "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Mathew 1:20

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Grace, mercy, and peace from
God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Good question. When adding 14 + 14 +14 in Mt 1:17 you get 42; But when counting names it's 40, yet 41 to Jesus, 42 to Christ. So as some say, the answer is 42, perhaps as if hinting the answer is Christ: Saviour of the world by abolition of law.

Paul says the seed (sperma) is Christ in Galatians 3:16; And defines Christ as the end of the law in Romans 10:4. 1Peter 1:23 clarifies born again is not of corruptible seed (spora), but of incorruptible, as if allegory saying not of law, but of grace.

Also generation (genesis) in Mt 1:1 is not generations (genea) in Mt 1:17. Also Luke 3:23 says Jesus was "supposed" the son of Joseph. Also 1Timothy 1:4 & Titus 3:9 say avoid genealogies. Also Galatians 4:22-26 suggests it's all allegory. Also Jesus calls his mom "Woman" twice in John, and neither seems to be a compliment. So we have the Colossians 2:22 mystery of Christ to solve, perhaps a mystery with lots of details and twists to sort out.

Regarding the angel in Matthew 1:20, perhaps Gabriel, Luke 1 seems to note he "troubled" both Zacharias and Mary. John 14 says, twice, let your heart not be troubled, perhaps as if to allegory say let your heart not be lawed. For JC did not help the impotent man into "troubled" water some angel troubled, as if not helping him into law.

Regarding the Holy Ghost in Mt 1:20, we find in Mk 3:29 it hath never forgiveness. God is a Spirit (not a Ghost): Jn 4:24, merciful (not merciless): Lk 6:36; And when the Spirit of truth comes it will guide you into all truth: Jn 16:13.

Seems it's always about law isn't grace, no matter how it gets allegorized.

If you lack wisdom, ask the God who upbraideth not: James 1:5; for that pure wisdom is full of mercy without partiality: James 3:17.

Interesting stuff to study out.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be/is] with you all. Amen.

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"and from the carrying away INTO Babylon UNTO Christ are fourteen generations."

UNTO is a KEY word.

It says INTO Babylon, and then UNTO Christ.


God is All in All.

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Grace, mercy, and peace, from
God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Indeed UNTO Christ a key to notice in Mt 1;
YET

IF every good MYSTERY has lots of twists, and
IF Col 2:2 mysteryx3 is thirdly of Christ, and
IF Mt 24:24 & Mk 13:22 mention FALSE Christs,
ALSO arise to shew GREAT signs and wonders,
to seduce & deceive even the very elect, and
IF Mt 24:23 & Mk 13:21 say BELIEVE [IT] NOT
concerning Lo(idou), here or there is Christ

That's WHY I mentioned, about original post,
Rev 13:18 number of beast man='anthropos',
and like Son of man = Son of 'anthropos',
and every 'anthropos' man = liar: Rom 3:4;
BECAUSE mediator "man" CJ = 'anthropos' man,
so GREAT high priest = CJ = anthropos = liar.

So there's also the matter of CJ is not JC:
aka better law isn't grace & lie isn't truth.
JC = only foundation laid to build on: 1Cor3:11.
Grace + truth came by JC = foundation to build on,
Yet Peace + Victory are notably through J-->C;
SO there's lasting peace & victory in that C.
YET

when the Spirit of truth comes: John 16:13
he will guide you into ALL TRUTH = NO LIE.
So let God be true, and every man a liar.

SO THEN,
there's ALSO the matter of all truth = no lie,
and of being reconciled to that God cannot lie,
in that Christ is the true Christ of false/true.

INTERESTING thing about THAT GOD in THAT CHRIST
in 2Cor5:19 is both do NOT IMPute trespasses,
(aka no law = no sin imputed to blood cover up)
not even unto them of them/us. So then NO LAW.
That God is light having no darkness: 1Jn 1:5
is allegory for all grace having no law,
is allegory for all truth having no lie,
is allegory for mercy having no sacrifice,
is allegory for peace having no confusion.

For IF having understanding of all mysteries, it
still counts as NOTHING without charity: 1Cor13:2.

SO re Rev 13:18, COUNT beast man number = psephizo,
and 'psephizo' only occurs elsewhere in Luke 14:28,
which mentions counting the cost of "finish" such,
such being a watch "tower" high enough to see a
potential enemy attack from every direction.
Yet such is only about under-stand,
which is still under, still standing,
not yet above nor seated (settled) yet.

INTERESTING stuff to study out; especially IF
Mt 24:13 says endure unto the end to be saved(only);
YET modern bibles have removed Christ from their end.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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I need more links to lexicon definitions.

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Grace, mercy, and peace, from
God, our Father, and JC our Lord.

Concerning original post, re: "God turned"
quoted from Acts 7:42, re book of prophets,
Let us notice
grace & truth came by JC (Only True God sent),
grace&truth being in contrast to law&prophets.

For no "shadow of turning" with Only True God.

Eg: James 1:17 KJV:
Every good gift and
every perfect gift is from above, and
cometh down from the Father of lights,
with whom is no variableness,
neither shadow of turning.

Seems turn, turning, is what OT LORD does,
also TwoSonsJesus, seems to turn, as if
from SonOfGod to SonOf man, and then
he says different things.
Eg: in Mt16, he turned, then
called Peter "Satan", as if
he turned from Grace to Law.

For Grace does not accuse: John 5:45.

Seems, in Revelation 1:12, John "turned",
to what(?) was calling him, from "behind".
Seems such described as a great(law) voice,
a loud voice, as if a blast from the past.
When John turned, seems things don't go well.

So we ought not to turn, nor draw back,
(in Christ, all things new, old=passed)
So AD-->ONLY goes one way: for-ward;
Forward to Us-ward: the "harmless" us,
is "higher than the heavens": Heb7:26.
So not right of L/R, but above: higher.

Interesting stuff to study out.

The grace of our Lord JC [be] with you all. Amen.

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Not left nor right, that would be the blind Lady Justice with the weights: yet, only the pillar in between is counted as our highest.

http://blog.jaydobynsgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/LadyJusticeImage.jpg

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Not higher justice, but higher just us

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Not higher, just highest.

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Grace, mercy, and peace=3rdOf3*, from
God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord.
*this peace = UpGrade from Grace&peace=2ndOf2

Interesting the last
of 10 NT mentions of "highest",
notably says, in Luke 20:46,47 KJV:
"Beware of the scribes,
which desire to walk in long robes,
and love greetings in the markets,
and the highest seats in the synagogues,
and the chief rooms at feasts;
Which devour widows' houses,
and for a shew make long prayers:
the same shall receive greater damnation".

So this "highest" ends with "greater damnation";
And such "highest" places have plural "seats".

Being the last, such is AsIf from the Last Adam;
which when studied out = anthropos: 1Cor 15:47;
which when studied out = also a liar: Romans 3:4.

So perhaps there are two kinds of highest,
is perhaps why two mentions of "Hosanna",
in the first NT mention of the "highest",
by 2 "multitudes" mentioned in Matthew 21:9 KJV:

"And the multitudes that went before,
and that followed,
cried, saying,
Hosanna to the Son of David:
Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord;
Hosanna in the highest".

It's kinda like this difference between:
- "walk before me" (law driven by a Holy Ghost)
- "follow me" (grace "led" by Holy Spirit: Gal 5)

Multitude1: Hosanna to Son of David: "went before"
Multitude2: Hosanna to the highest: "that followed"

It's like Luke 1:35's mention of "also" to Mary:
"ALSO that holy thing which shall be born of thee
shall be called the Son of God".
(not both Son of God + Son of man; God has 1Son)
For when studied out: Son of man=anthropos=liar;
But the Son of God = the Son of "God canNOT lie";
which is like "allegory" saying Grace canNOT law.

It's like lay hold on eternal life = ALSO called;
which comes after fight a good fight in 1Tim6:12;
AsIf lay hold on eternal life is a higher calling;
above & beyond the highest calling of 2 on high.

It's like a blessed UpGrade noted in Romans 4:7,8:
- blessed1 = diaper blessed = imputed sin + covered*
- blessed2 = aner man blessed = NoSinImputed to cover
*all cover ups get uncovered & made known: Lk 12:2;
So we ought not rely on covered, but put away cover ups.

Eg: 1Cor 13:11 (which comes after 1Cor 13:10)
when Paul became aner man, he put away cover ups.

So, there's two of everything to sort out, even
Of "spiritual things" vs "spiritual": 1Cor 2:13
(which is allegory like compare twain vs one)
(which is comparing 2SonsJesus vs 1SonChrist)
(which is compare "Master, master" vs "Master")
even when u are spiritual of natural/spiritual=after.

Eg: born again = just to SEE the kingdom of God,
Which is notably within you, of ye & you: Lk 17:21.
Enter the kingdom of God is still yet another matter.
For born again is not of corruptible, but incorruptible;
(which is AsIf to allegory say not of law, but of grace)
But this incorruption is only 2 of 3 noted in 1Cor 15:53
1: corruptible… 2: incoruption… 3: immortality

3: immortality = higher grace: above of under & above
2: incorruption = grace on high: right of left & right
1: corruptible = law on high: left of left & right

It is like a difference between:
- grace of JC = both Grace & Truth: higher calling
- grace of CJ = both Grace & Lie: callings on high

So then, the OnlyTrueGod sent us JC = Grace & Truth.
If we build on another FOUNDATION it may be destroyed.

So The End to Matthew 24:13 Endure Unto, only in the KJV* is:
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ ^be^ WITH YOU ALL. Amen.
*other versions remove Christ = end of law = end of lie.

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Strepho, the "turn" is the course of magistrate.

"But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again ; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2:22

"And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;" Revelation 1:12

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores." Luke 16:21

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Mathew 7:6

"Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14

"But he turned , and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Mathew 5:39

"Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold , and said , It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you , and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo , we turn to the Gentiles." Acts 13:46

"To whom our fathers would not obey , but thrust him from them , and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt," Acts 7:39

"Then Jesus turned , and saw them following , and saith unto them, What seek ye ? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say , being interpreted , Master,) where dwellest thou?" John 1:38

"Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say , Master." John 20:16

"And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head." Luke 7:44

"But Jesus turning unto them said , Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children." Luke 23:28

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What is the difference between Strepho and Apobaino?

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576 // apobainw // apobaino // ap-ob-ah'-ee-no //

from 575 and the base of 939 ; v

AV - turn 2, go out 1, come 1; 4

1) to come down from, i.e. a ship
2) to turn out, result, to be the outcome
.............................................

4762 // strefw // strepho // stref'-o //

strengthened from the base of 5157 ; TDNT - 7:714,1093; v

AV - turn 11, turn (one's) self 2, turn (one) 1, turn again 1,
turn back again 1, turn (one) about 1, be converted 1,
vr turn 1; 19

1) to turn, turn around
2) to turn one's self (i.e. to turn the back to one
2a) of one who no longer cares for another)
2b) metaph. to turn one's self from one's course of conduct, i.e.
to change one's mind
..........................................

Yet even epistrepho, of strepho/epistrepho converted
can be turned, as John got "turned" in Rev 1:10-13,
notably to the GREAT VOICE calling him from BEHIND,
which SPAKE, of spake/spoke in Heb 1:1,2
(which contrasts TimePast/LastDays)
as a TRUMPET, of trumpet/trump in 1Cor 15:52.
So, such is like a trumpet blast from the past,
and if turned to SuchLike Son of man = liar,
then it becomes AsIf ApocalypseNow vision,
The day of the LORD = "darkness", not light,
kinda like Daniel's "night visions".
Obviously then a "worse" case scenario,
as mentioned to the impotent man healed,
after found in law temple praising law.

So notice the 2 who came out of a cLOUD: Lk9:31
both SPAKE of decease, not of grace mercy peace.
So let us not be "turned" to talk of "decease",
rather let talk of decease cease to have peace.

The grace of our(hemon) Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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