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Re: Bible is history.

Bible: literal... historical... allegorical?

People can debate for or against all three;
But if we let the Bible interpret the Bible,
then it seems to be all allegorical,
and in both covenants (testaments):

Literal? NO!
Galatians 4:22-26 KJV (clarity)
Abraham had two sons, by two mothers.
These ARE the two covenants.
Which things ARE an allegory.
This Agar IS Mount Sinai..........Law.
Jerusalem above IS our mother... Grace.
It's about Law isn't Grace,
no matter how allegorized.

Historical? NO!
2Peter 3:8 KJV (clarity)
1 day = 1000 years, and
1000 years = 1 day
Psalms 90:4 (clarity)
yesterday = 1000 years
Revelation 20 (allegory)
1000 years = 1 day in Acts 12 = Easter

Allegorical? YES!
Eg: Matthew 5:17 KJV (allegory)
I am not come to destroy (law),
but to fulfill (grace & truth).
Eg: John 3:17 KJV (allegory)
God sent not his Son to condemn (law) world,
but through him to save (grace & truth) world.
- through him
= through his name
= through Jesus Christ
= through division (not peace) to peace
= through L/R on high to higher than heavens
= harmless: do no harm & also receive no harm
= fullness of Christ: graceful, merciful, peaceful
= reconciled to that God is light void of darkness

Interesting stuff

Re: Bible is history.

"Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable." Isaiah 40:28

"For his eyes are upon the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps." Job 34:21

"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths." Revelation 9:18

"If one wished to contend with him, one could not answer him once in a thousand times... who does great things beyond understanding, and marvelous things without number." Job 9:3-10

"These things you have done and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you, and lay the charge before you." Psalms 50:21

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Dear f-law trying to be Last,

Grace(not law) to you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Job, Psalms, Isaiah all expired in Luke 16:16:
"The law and the prophets [WERE] until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached..."

For God is not [author] of confusion, but of peace;
And God hath not appointed us to wrath (aka to law):
1Corinthians 14:33 and 1Thessalonians 5:9.

As for "these three" mentioned in Revelation 9:18,
do a study (to seek & find) about "these three".
Hint: it's not these three: faith, hope, charity.
Also note, in Rev 1:1, John is still a "servant";
And in John 15:15 servants(prophets) = kNOW nots.

Are ye still one of such kNOW nots? LOL.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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You don't Know God to say any of that, you have not shook his hand; nor have you talked to God; you haven't seen God, nor will you ever; you are a Man.

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Dear f-law trying to be Last,

Grace(not law) to you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I kNOW "the God of all grace" (no law at all),
"that God", Who is light (no darkness at all).

2Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God (is light) was in Christ (end of law),
reconciling the world unto himself (God of all grace),
not (f-law) imputing their trespasses (sins) unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The word of reconciliation is obviously grace,
for grace will have mercy to all, not sacrifice,
and being merciful is what multiplies peace ww.

As for yer God, plural f-law God,
why would anyone want to know such,
if he's vengeful, not safe to approach,
lest he may be having a wrathful day. LOL.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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If you knew the God of All Grace is what I am getting at, then you would Know Grace(Death) to Grace(Life), and the Fulness he has already created as Both Death and Life.

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Dear f-law trying to be Last,

Grace(not law) to you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

NO.
Again you mingle "contrary things": life + death,
ends badly, as bad as blessed + cursed = accursed.

There is no dead end in the God of the living.
He is not God of the dead, but of the living:
Matthew 22:32... Mark 12:27... Luke 20:38.

The reason you're here is to learn that.
For if you'd know what Mt 9:13 meaneth,
you would not have lawed God's grace,
and thereby condemned the guiltless.
Mt 9:13...Mt 12:7...Rom 15:4...1Cor 19:11

Grace is not about death. Law is about death.
So die to law to become alive unto Grace(Life).
That's allegory called become alive unto God.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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You poor lost Man. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:5


You keep judging without knowing it, now you have confined yourself to something you know nothing about. I told you in the beginning that I knew Death and Life in the Bible; all I have done is listen to what you think: while thinking to much about something you know nothing about.

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Dear f-law trying to be Last.

Grace, and Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

I am neither poor, nor lost.

There is no poor in grace is sufficient.

There are no lost (dead) in found (alive).
Lost(dead) = was. Found(alive) = is: Luke 15.
He is not God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 22:32... Mark 12:27... Luke 20:38.

As for Genesis 3:5 KJV, it says the serpent said:
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened, and
ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

ye = "err": Mt 22:29 & Mk 12:27
gods = plural: double minded, "childish"
good + evil = bad ending: "beguilded".

2Corinthians 11:3 notes
the serpent "beguiled" Eve through his subtilty

So even when spiritual of natural 1st/spiritual after,
there's still two kinds of spirit to sort out:
- spirit of truth
- spirit of err-or

That's why the word of God
divides asunder soul/spirit,
then also joints/marrow: Hebrews 4:12

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.


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And there is no repentance in God, for his love is creation.

"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Romans 11:29

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Dear f-law trying to be Last,

Romans 11:29 is plural God, and about them.
Romans 11:32 says, about this plural God:
God hath concluded "them" all in unbelief

Victory is given to "us": 1Corinthians 15:57,
and it's "through our Lord Jesus --> Christ"

The word of reconciliation is given "us":
2Corinthians 5:19, and it's not f-law,
nor does it law impute sin unto them.

If still them/us "double minded",
by still being in plural God mode
at least get it right of them/us.

Then move on to God is one isn't plural.

The grace of our Lord JC {be} with you all. Amen.

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"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25

You are double-minded, you know "Good"; but combat "Evil". So who is it that is Double-minded?

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Dear accuser trying to be Last.

Grace, and Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

Informing is not accusing.
Grace & truth isn't Law.
John 1:17... 3:17... 5:45

I do not combat evil.
That would just be a sides war,
with a side effect to both sides.

Higher grace is "with you all" from above,
not over "against" like Jesus is on high.

That's why modern Bibles miss it in their end,
saying the grace of Jesus be with the saints;
for such grace is still over "against" on high.
So KJV Bible doesn't say this in Revelation 22:21.

I simply share, using dialectic logic,
which looks at both sides of an issue,
then comes to a conclusion about such,
which is neither side of any sides war.

Perfect love: charity: "thinketh no evil",
neither to combat, nor to even forgive;
So charity is put on above forgiving:
1Corinthians 13:5... Colossians 3:12-15

True God doesn't make sides to have war,
nor ever take either side in a sides war.
Jesus did, and look what it got him:
"numbered with the transgressors",
which is obviously shame, not fame.

More to learn, you still have, grasshopper.

The grace of our Lord JC [be] with you all. Amen.

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I am by far not an accuser, I am the one being mocked and separated; this will not be sufficient, I know something you can't fathom; and I have already told you once, the difference being we both have eaten an Apple; but only claim one side.

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The Last
I am by far not an accuser, I am the one being mocked and separated; this will not be sufficient, I know something you can't fathom; and I have already told you once, the difference being we both have eaten an Apple; but only claim one side.


Above, of under/above, peace mode, has no sides.
Under mode, has sides: under law vs under grace.

The heart established "with grace", above,
is neither under the law nor under grace.

It's preposterous order to teach first, learn after.

Go ye and learn what [that] meaneth:
"I will have mercy, not sacrifice": Matthew 9:13

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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Then how do you know Right and Wrong, and debate me on being wrong?

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The Last
Then how do you know Right and Wrong, and debate me on being wrong?


I do not debate. Debate is adversarial.
I am observational, and not adversarial.
I use dialectic, not linear nor circular logic.

I do not think wrong/right = double minded duality.
I don't see you wrong, per se, but as more to learn.
I wouldn't be right to make any wrong. It's division.
I would be right to make everyone right. That's peace.

God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.

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I don't debate either, but I am not observational; I know.

Mathew's Genealogy of Luke's?

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Re: Mathew's Genealogy of Luke's?

Matthew 1:
- The "generation" (genesis) of Jesus Christ: Mt 1
isn't the "generations (genealogies) of Adam: Gen 5.
- The generation of JC does not begin at Adam,
but notably at Abraham (new name of Abram)
- The generation of JC goes not end at Jesus,
but goes on to Christ of thru Jesus-->Christ

Which things are an allegory: Galatians 4:22-26.

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I know, that is why I am the last. One thing I figured out the hard way is that this generation can't be "saved".

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Dear Last Adam,

Grace, and Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

To 'know' makes you free of 'believe' stuff. So
"know" different than "believe" in John 8:30-32.
In Greek, "believed" = pisteuo, "know" = ginosko.

Since you call yourself 'Last Adam', what if
true Christ is neither first nor last Adam,
and notably because "as in Adam all die",
but "all die" isn't none should perish;

So the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward,
and notably that none should perish,
which isn't right of left/right,
but is above of under/above.

http://www.godshew.org/Usward.htm

Better of twain isn't Best of three things;
Only "greatest" of three things never fails.
So 2/3 is still accounted as "nothing" yet.
You can read about such in 1Corinthians 13.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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"Don't Let The Door Hit You Where The Good Lord Split Ya". Papa Roach

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Grace --> Mercy --> Peace
Jesus --> Christ --> God

God is not [the author] of confusion,
but of peace

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

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Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from
God, our Father, and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Last Adam is still an Adam;
And so, "as in Adam all die",
is extinction, not salvation.

Christ is neither
of Adam1/Adam2...

...like last day is neither
of time past/last days.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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Damn straight.

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The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

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This only means you are in Hell with me: or is it Heaven? ;)

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:" Romans 5:1

"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 5:21

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Grace, and Mercy, and Peace, from
God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

Hell is a f-law word.
Hell or Heaven is double mindead.

Indeed, peace is through Jesus-->Christ;
For Jesus said "Nay" to peace: Luke 12:51.

Prior to Romans 5:21 Romans 5:20 notes:
Moreover the law entered (the race),
that the offence might abound.
But where sin abounded,
grace did much more abound:

Notice two kinds of "abound" in Romans 5:20:
- by the law, sin IMPutation 'pleonazo' abounds
- by grace righteousness 'hyperperisseuo' abounds
The race pace of grace is "MUCH MORE" than f-law;
so much more there is no law mentioned in the end:

The grace (pace) of our Lord JC [be] with you all. Amen.

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"Hell is a f-law word.
Hell or Heaven is double mindead."

You mean Earth and Heaven?

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Thy will be done in earth,
as [it is] in heaven.

How is it in heaven?
Graceful, Merciful, Peaceful