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Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

What is Understanding ? Is it available at full already ? What bothers me is Lamb in Apocalypse. For me it is rather clear that it is not Jesus, as Jesus is shepard. What we read in Apocalypse is that Lamb will understand Book which others did not.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

You are a Man, don't act like God; you can't save people: you can only create a False Reality by doing so.

Just survive as you are suppose to be, by knowing yourself.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

How can I know God ? In fact it is all i want. But this world is imperfect I suppose to think. This is obstacle which prevents me from seeing God. Even if He would speak directly to me. How can He explain suffering my and other's. So what i'm tring to see is only that problem. I do not know if I should preffer John which seems to focus on truth or Paul or maybe Saul which says to me in Hymn to Love. Ultimate goal is get rid of suffering I used to think. I do not know if this is by destruction of evils or some ways to stop doing bad by everyone. It is difficult to me say do not worry others not saying that survive of me is also not esay in this world.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Mosiu2,

Grace, Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

If God cannot lie, then God is all truth.
So to 'know God' is like to know all truth;
which is like being free of believe any lies,
which is allegorically being free of all laws.

For example, Let's notice in John 1:17 KJV
law & grace are contrasted as if lie & truth:
"The law (and lie) was given by Moses, [but]
grace and truth came by Jesus Christ"

Bible has many truths in it,
both about what God is, and what God is not;
But perhaps 'a truth' differs from "the truth".
When it comes to "the truth", it's only what "is".
Another part, what God is not, is only for compare,
as a comparative teaching, only in the plural mode.
So when done the comparing, put away all God is not.

Eg: God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
So we ought to put away all thought and talk of death.
If law is "the ministration of death", we put away law.
Then we have only what God is: "eternal life", no death.
Then we have "the God of all grace" (aka no law at all).
Then we have "that God" is light (no darkness at all).
Then we have only "the truth" (no ignorance, nor lie).
So the end to endure unto is grace (no law: sin: death).

Re: suffer, let's notice this about "suffer":
2Timothy 3:12.
All who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer.
1Peter 5:10.
God of all grace makes perfect after suffer in CJ.

So suffer occurs in CJ mode; is reverse of JC.
CJ descends from C to J; JC ascends from J to C.
J = division, not peace; C = peace, not confusion.
So peace with God & men is through Jesus Christ.
For Christ thereof is "the end of the law",
Jesus is just the mend (change) of the law;
And the end of the law is the end of suffer.

So to end suffer, persecution, put away law.
For the end to endure unto has no law at all.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Why you do not want accept simple truth that your grace is also oxymoron. it is law to now follow other laws except grace. simple.

Peace with you.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Paul's enticement of his own Death by exempting his own Life, because this Man didn't understand Grace and the Gift of Love that Jesus Christ had attempted to give him as a Man; not for Man to give to others.
Paul:
"For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:" Philippians 1:23

His longing he suffered to be God like and Perfect by literally "Dying" to be with God wanting "Life", for Grace is of both Death and Life through Immortality; we have no control of that aspect of which is Gods gift to us all as Men. God Loves us no matter what, we are not God however because we are Men.

Even so:
"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 5:21
He Loves us All:
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men," Titus 2:11

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

It is OK that you are Imperfect and the world around, that is what being a Man is all about; surviving with what he has: while sometimes being a little afraid, just keep going and know that you are Loved.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Dear f-law trying to be Last,

Grace, and Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

NO. Again you mingle contrary things: life + death.

You missed the message of 2Corinthians 5:19,20 KJV:

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God".

The word of reconciliation is given unto Us for Them.
That word is grace, will have mercy, multiplies peace.
We are the ambassadors for Christ (is the end of law).
We are to beseech as if it were God beseeching by us.

It's not about survival of fittest till dead;
Nor about remaining IMPerfect via have f-laws.
It's about "be ye therefore perfect": Mt 5:48
It's also about "lay hold on eternal life".

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:5

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Correction: Genesis 3:5 KJV says
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

ye = err: Matthew 22:29 & Mark 12:27
gods = plural, and little g: childish
good + evil ends evil, as does f-law

The Last
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:5

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

I don't think you get what I am saying, if you know Good, then you judge the opposite being divided; for if you know Good, then what is Evil?

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Connect these biblical dots:
Matthew 6:13 (prayer)
"deliver us from evil"
Romans 7:6 (answered prayer)
"we are delivered from the law"
What is evil? Law is evil. Hello!

Law is both good and evil: Hebrews 5:14,
and lastly "evil concupiscence". Hello!

Law is both just and unjust(wrongfully convicts),
lastly the "unjust judge" (who avenges). Hello.

Law is both holy and unholy(2Timothy 3:1-5)

Law is natural, of natural first, spiritual after,
but it's also natural disaster in natural mode.

Law is spiritual, but spiritual wickedness.

Law is the strength of sin: 1Cor 15:56;
so it's the strong man to bind,
to spoil the house of sin & death
for sin imputation has a death sting.

So, perfect love: charity: thinketh no evil
is allegory for perfection thinketh no law.

So leave the f-laws to go on to perfection.

The grace of our Lord JC [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

I have already been delivered as Death, you do not get what Adam actually is; nor what he will become to those who keep thinking they are God and not Man, you see Earth is my Kingdom: this befall you set yourself as is not your Home, if you want God; then why are you on Earth: much less New Earth? This is my house, yet I see a Man before me as if he thinks of something he is not; for the Old is not New, nor is the New not Old.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Dear child trying to be Last,

Grace, and Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

Here's the plot of the GodShew mystery:
God said: let us make MAN (not child).
But also gave two options to play out:
- Before: "in our image"......... law
- After: "after our likeness"... grace
Obviously for a compare-i-son of twain;
as if a comparative teaching, a "shew",
to compare and to contrast what Grace is,
by also looking at what God isn't: f-law.

So there's 2 "one man" scenarios in Romans 5:
- by one man: justification: all righteous: grace
- by one man: condemnation: all unrighteous: law

One of these things is not like the other.
One of 2 contrary things just does not belong.
So, can you figure which one does not belong,
and do it before they sing their Rev 15 song.

When you figure which one doesn't belong,
then flush it as if it was dung all along.
Then you'll be like that God is one only:
The blessed and only Potentate. To wit:
that God is light, no darkness in him.
But the day of the LORD is darkness.

Jesus Christ is the reverse of Christ Jesus.
Through Jesus Christ gets reconciled to God,
both by & unto that God, in Christ, of J-->C.
So Paul turned CJ around to JC to win: Phil 3.
For CJ doesn't endure to the end, but JC does.

Eternal life is the reverse of life eternal.
So then "lay hold on eternal life",
which isn't life after death,
but is life void of death.
How? Flush death as dung.

Which things are an allegory & mystery to solve.

The grace of our Lord JC [be] with you all. Amen.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

The Plot is a Man being Married to a Woman, one being Adam(Love - Grace); the other being Eve(Hate - Death), you forget the beginning of an Eternal Balance; and without Death - Life there will be no Eternal nor Creation of something New as Birth; you can not reduce one from the other; much less have the other without the reduction.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

The Last
The Plot is a Man being Married to a Woman, one being Adam(Love - Grace); the other being Eve(Hate - Death), you forget the beginning of an Eternal Balance; and without Death - Life there will be no Eternal nor Creation of something New as Birth; you can not reduce one from the other; much less have the other without the reduction.


Ephesians 5:32 "This is a great mystery:
but I speak concerning Christ and the church".

The mind of Christ is not double mindead.
The church isn't plural bewitched churches.

Lay hold on eternal life isn't death1 nor death2.

You need to put away both your plural God ways,
for double minded is unstable both ways: James 1:8


Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Then why do you call him, Our Lord "Jesus Christ".

Stop calling me God.

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

The Last
Then why do you call him, Our Lord "Jesus Christ".

Stop calling me God.


New Testament:
begin:
The book of the generation (genesis) of Jesus Christ
end:
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Paul's Epistles:
begin:
Grace to you and peace
from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
end:
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

begin: The Lord JC ... end: Our Lord JC

Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Mosiu,

Grace, Mercy, and Peace to you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.

Under-standing is both still under & standing;
So neither above yet nor seated (at rest) yet.
Our objective is be seated "above" with Christ,
which is above where Jesus sat "down" on high.
For where Jesus sat down still had "enemies".

So 1Corinthians 13:1-3 KJV says, clarifies,
even if you get all under-standing,
so as to under-stand all mysteries,
it still accounts as if "nothing" yet.

For it's still under of under/above,
even if it's right of left/right,
which is still division, not peace,
as Jesus said he was in Luke 12:51.

Both "under the law" & "under grace" are under.
Our objective is to be risen with Christ above;
for if still "under" then "jeopardy every hour",
of also having peril, worse yet an under-taker.

So Hebrews 13:9 KJV clarifies this:
the heart should be established "with grace",
not just under the law nor even under grace,
since under mode x2 still has no profit yet.
- "with grace" = above
- "under grace" = under

Let's notice two Sons Jesus is two things:
- Son of God, but R of God "on high", not higher.
- Son of man, seems to turn, say different stuff.

So peace is "through Jesus Christ" in Christ mode.
- Christ: no longer twain, but one new man
- Jesus: still twain, division, not peace

For Revelation is about the potential return of
"one like Son of man", which Jesus called himself,
noting Son of man is "Lord also" of a law Sabbath,
a black Sabbath which Amos 5:18 described this way:

"Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD!
to what end [is] it for you?
the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light".

So obviously it's a Law Sabbath, a black Sabbath.
For 7 benedictions in Revelation make it evident
such an apocalyptic scenario occurs on a Sabbath,
since only 7 benedictions were said on Sabbath,
but on other days 18 were said by priest & ppl.
http://sabelle.com/godshew/Revelations4.htm

As for Jesus being the 'Shepard'(?), it's
"Shepherd" & Bishop of "souls": 1Peter 2:25.
But word of God divides asunder soul/spirit;
And that's under/above: 1Cor 15:45...Heb 4:12.

Shepherd Jesus divides goats/sheep left/right.
But this is like having division, not peace,
and like having partiality, not perfection.
So notice Jesus wasn't perfected in Luke 13:32,
not even when casting out devils & doing cures.
For perfected has no devils, nor ills to cure.

So Hebrews 6 talks of "leaving" these principles
to go on unto perfection, aka grace void of law.

What you should notice about Revelation prophecy,
titled: 'The Revelation of St John The Divine',
(uncovering of Saint named John, thought divine)
is John is still a "servant" in Revelation 1:1;
in Gal 4:1 child differs nothing from servant,
and in Jn 15:15 "servants" = kNOW nots,
and in Rev 10:7 "servants" = "prophets",
and in Heb 1:1 "prophets" = "time past",
and in Lk 16:16 "prophets" mode ended.

So apocalypse is to "shew" prophets: servants:
just how awful their law mode can actually be
if law not put away to have grace, mercy, peace.

Interesting stuff.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.


Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

Mosiu,

Grace to you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for visiting and sharing. Perhaps it's not two creations, but created (bara) and made (asah) being as different as image (tselem) and likeness (d@muwth) in such a before/after scenario established in Genesis 1, as if setting the stage for a shew about law is different from grace, as different as imperfect and perfect.

So notice And God said: Genesis 1:26
"Let us make (asah) man";

Two before/after options are given:
Before - "in our image (tselem)"
After - "after our likeness (d@muwth)"

So we have two (before/after) testaments.
Before - Old Testament
After - New Testament ("better testament")

Before: "generations" (genealogies) of Adam
After: "generation" (genesis) of Jesus Christ

Before: law given by Moses (as if the lie)
After: grace & truth came by Jesus Christ

Galatians 4:22-26 notes it's all "allegory":
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS(Testaments); the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

So, perhaps the tree thing is also allegory:
- Genesis 2:16 = every tree, freely ... grace
- Genesis 2:17 = not every tree, die... law
Such are plural and contrary commandments.
If contrary things mingled, it's oxy-moron.
So Christ abolished the law of commandments,
and refused the "mingled" drink offered him.

For the only law given by Moses is Gen 2:17.
All other law, 10 in stone, and 613 in ink,
were "added" because of the transgressions
caused by this one lousy tree law of Moses.
But where no law, there no transgression;
So Christ abolished the law in Gen 2:17,
effectively abolishing all law, since
other law was added because of such.

Now let's consider this:
The law imputes sin, also unpardonable sin.
So how hath God have forgiven you in Eph 4:32,
if you may have committed an unpardonable sin,
is not forgivable in this world nor the to come?
The only plausible answer is by abolish the law.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.



Re: Two creations - two Gods in Genesis ?

If Christ abolished Law, he would kill it; and if Man lived by Law and they were suppose to be "abolished": they would be dead.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17-18

From what you seem to say, God does not Destroy for that would make him a hypocrite; but Lives in them as Grace until Understanding is ensued.
"no wise" = Not at All, but we are All in All.

Now I get that you are just another Con-artist and are literally Divided amongst your own self attempting the same for others. What makes this worse, is now I am going to have to stick around to see what else you have caused through your own regression and duress.