Grace (4UQEG)to you, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It just occurred to me recently that churchy folk have been saying for centuries that...

"We will see our loved ones in heaven", meaning as separated individuals, as opposed to "one flesh"?!

Yet I'm not aware of any scripture that specifically promises this, nor have I heard the churchy folk cite any scripture to back this up. But I am aware of...

"we all are one" (I can't find that quote, where is it?)

and also "make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;(Eph 2:15)

and "For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.(Rom 12:4,5)

and "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. (1CO 10:17)

and "...for we are members one of another."(Eph 4:25)

and "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."(1CO 12:13)

and "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:28)

and other HOLOGRAPHIC VERSES that all seem to teach that everybody and everything will all be fused into one infinite gigantic organism (oneness) in eternity, or rather, that we actually already are (see Jill Bolte Taylor's "My Stroke of Insight"),but the difference is that we all will be fully conscious of that fact.

In this world there is the conscious mind and the unconscious mind(psychological splitting = "in Adam" DEFINED). But in eternity there will only be ONE MIND = "in Christ" (no more unconscious mind as everything will be made conscious...Mark 4:21,22;Rev 20:12). I think this is the true spiritual meaning of Eph 2:15 ("make in himself of twain one new man").

Anyway y'all, what is your response to the old "we will see our loved ones (as separated individuals) in heaven"?

Marshall

The grace (4UQEG)of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Marshall,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Oneness is an interesting topic that may need some more clarity for us all. For example in 2Corinthians 5, especially 5:19, it speaks of a global (world) reconciliation "unto God", who was "in Christ" (not in Jesus); Yet it clarifies "to wit" and "that God", so perhaps not the plural God on high, but the higher God is one. It also clarifies "that God" in Christ does not law impute sin (trespasses), not even to "them" of them/us. Also that God (is light void of darkness, aka grace void of law) in Christ (of through Jesus Christ, not Christ Jesus) has given us "the word of reconciliation", which seems to be grace, but perhaps a higher grace than the grace of law/grace on high. Previously in 5:14 it seems to say that if even one died for all, the result would be considered "all dead". So perhaps we need to get above and beyond all dead to all alive.

Concerning such, a couple of things come to mind. For example, in Mt 22:32; Mk 12:27; Lk 20:38 it clarifies he is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living; So in Mk 12:27 it says ye do greatly err if still thinking he's God of the dead. Such seems to imply there are no dead to even resurrect in the God of the living; And Hebrews 6 talks of "leaving" resurrection of the dead to go on unto such perfection, which seems to be higher than what's available from God (Majesty) on high, aka oneness above the twain rather than the better one of twain.

For even though there is a "better covenant" in a "better testament", the "new testament" of old/new testaments; Such "better" things provided for us of them/us by Son of plural God is still not what's best of good better best. What's best, true rest (peace), seems to be hidden in plain sight to also seek and find; Such as the "greatest" of great greater greatest, aka "charity" of faith hope charity in 1Cor 13:13, which is the 'agape' love that never fails nor ever forsakes, which is not the 'agape' love in Mt 24:12 waxes cold when iniquity abounds. Further... more, the 'agape' (charity) that never fails is put on above forgiving one another in Col 3:12-15. For charity (agape) in 1Cor 13:5 doesn't think any evil to even forgive. So there's not only two different kinds of 'agape' love to contrast, but also two different kinds of "above" in Col 3: 'ano' and 'epi'. So two kinds of "converted": 'strepho' and 'epistrepho'. Lots of details to sort out.

Also James 1:5-8 says if you of ye/you lack wisdom on anything, then "ask God" directly (not through a mediator; for a mediator is not of one, but God is one); But James also clarifies which God to ask and also how to ask. So let us ask the God who "upbraideth not" (the God who doesn't bite nor smite), and let's do it "nothing wavering" rather than being double minded. For "a double minded man is unstable in all his ways", even in the better of two broad/narrow ways. So Paul talks of "a more excellent way" that is above & beyond such plural ways.

Indeed, Christ (one new man) is our peace, as you noted from Eph 2:15; Yet final and global reconciliation is "unto God", not just to Christ. Christ is the head of every man, but God is the head of Christ: 1Cor 11:3.

Concerning Gal 3:28 (written unto bewitched churches), let's notice it says "ye are all one in Christ Jesus". But ye is not yet you of ye/you, and CJ is not JC. So when studied out it seems to be more of an admonition than a compliment. Previously, in 3:26, it says "ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus"; But further study reveals it is not a compliment to even be called "children of God", even though it's better than being "children of the flesh" in Rom 9:8's contrast of two kinds of children. So Paul twice mentions be not children: 1Cor 14:20 & Eph 4:14. For God said let us make man, not children. Also when contrasting two sorts of children in Mt 13:38, the better sort: "children of the kingdom" even get cast out in Mt 8:12. So if children, even the better sort of two kinds of children, perhaps we still have some growing up to do. For the fulness of Christ seems to be graceful, merciful, peaceful.

Just saying there's lots of details, and further clarity, when solving the mystery of God, especially if it's an allegoric mystery; And every good mystery has lots of twists right up to the end. So perhaps even Revelation 22:20 is not (yet) the end; Rather Revelation 22:21 is the end we should all endure unto in Mt 24:13. For as Mt 24:6 notes, if things are not yet alright (not yet graceful, merciful, peaceful), then "the end is not yet".

So let us look at the end already written and think from the end to help us endure unto that end, which has no mention of law: sin: death; But does have clarity what sort of grace is with you all (against none).

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.