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Re: law and grace

James Willis wrote a very intelligent and well versed entry to your forum. His ideas are worthy of recognition. He seems to be seeking approval of his description of the two edged sword as well as there may be a language he cannot hear. Your type of allegory is impressive but lacks guidance. Your reply is like a spilled bowl of alphabet soup.
Jesus said this "Blessed is the man, the one who eats the lion and the lion becomes a man and cursed is the man, the one the lion eats and the lion becomes a man."

Re: law and grace

Thatiam,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are two swords to sort out in the Bible:
- sword of the Spirit: "sharper" = grace: good.
- a twoedged sword: "sharp" = law: good & evil.
Clarity: sword of the Spirit = the word of God.
So twoedged sword: law: is not the word of God.
http://www.godshew.org/TwainShew6.htm#Swords

Law is good, but also evil (concupiscence).
Law is holy, but also unholy (highminded).
Law is just, but also unjust (unjust judge).
Law is natural, but also natural disaster.
Law is spiritul, but also spiritual abuse.

God is good only, never both good and evil.
So the law is not of God, but given by Moses.
No man is justified by the law in God's sight.

So Law is the twoedged sword "Jesus" brought,
which is notably not peace, rather division;
and notably not perfect-ion, but part-iality.
God is not author of confusion, but of peace;
And peace with God is "through" Jesus-->Christ.
A mediator(Jesus) is not of one, but God is one.

So in compare-i-son & contrast we have "Christ",
who is the end of the law (the twoedged sword);
Because in Psalms 149 it is noted that such a
twoedged sword (the law: both good and evil)
- executes vengeance upon the heathen, and
- executes punishments upon the people

Grace is not the twoedged sword: destructive,
but is the sword of the Spirit: constructive.

Grace rightly divides: under/above; so that
we get seated with Christ "above" = harmless.
Jesus' Law wrongly divides: left/right; so
by law under-standing stands in jeopardy,
and gets sat "down" in the hall of shame.

In Revelation, where the law tries to
become both "the first and the last",
it is a "sharp" twoedged sword-y mouth
which bites and smites "all nations"
till all kindreds "wail", not rejoice;
IFF law should ever be first and last.

Hence the conclusion of Revelation, and
thereby the conclusion of the Holy Bible
containing Law (old) and Grace (New) is:

The GRACE of our Lord J-->C with you all. Amen.

Re: law and grace

The laws shall be written in their heart and they will be my people is a promise kept. The message from Jesus is a revelation that men no longer obey the laws out of fear but indeed they themselves are the law and the laws live within them. Righteous people obey the laws naturally for they inherit that attribute from He who lives from the beginning. It is a genetic trait.
Jesus became the first of many when he was enlightened of the Kingdom through the word spoken by John. Having heard the word spoken by John Jesus became the living word and when he spoke the word many were awakened to the knowledge that indeed they were a people with the laws written in their heart. The words spoken by Jesus are a living force that begets understanding to those with ears to hear even now.
Jesus came not to change the law but to reveal how the law changed. No longer were the laws physically written in stone and placed in the ark but were instead written in the hearts (genes) of many becoming a living force made manifest through a desire to live the law. The old Ark of wood containing laws of stone was passed away and all who enter into the Kingdom become a new ark wherein the laws abide.
Either obedience of the law by nature or excused from the law by grace the law is the dominate factor to determine good from evil. Whether the law is written in a book or written in the heart obedience of the law will determine the destiny of the world.

Re: law and grace

Thatiam,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You might want to re-read Hebrews 8 to notice
there are two houses mentioned:
- the house of Israel, and
- the house of Judah.
It's only Israel that gets fLAWed again.

Not to mention Galatians 3, notably
written unto the bewitched churches, notes
- the law is not of faith
- no man is justified by the law, and
- mediator Jesus is not of one, but God is one.

If the heart gets fLAWed it can get attacked.
So it's let not your heart be troubled (lawed).
http://www.godshew.org/Heart.html

For a lawed heart will "defile" itself,
and do such defiling with it's own mouth:
Mt 12:37; Mt 15:11; Mk 7:18-23; Rom 2:1

Hence it is a good (God) thing that
the heart be established with grace;
because laws did not profit them
who were occupied therein: Heb 13:9

Christ = sharper sword of the Spirit: Grace.
Jesus = sharp twoedged swordy mouth: Law Law.
http://www.godshew.org/TwoEdgedSword.html

The For-word: Grace: is also the Up-word.
A Back-word: Law: was also a Down-word.

So Christ sitteth "above": hall of fame: Grace,
where Jesus sat "down": hall of shame: Law.

Can't get numbered with transgressors
when there is no law: Romans 4:15; So
Christ is the end of the law: Rom 10:4.

The grace of our Lord J-->C with with all. Amen.

Re: law and grace

The Jan. 8th is sufficient.

Re: law and grace

Thatiam,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

See Luke 16:16 (Mt 11:13)
The law and the prophets WERE until John, but
since that time the kingdom of God is preached.

See Mt 12:25; Mk 3:24,25; Lk 11:17;
A kinddom divided (by having two houses) shall fall.

Law is what we are delivered from: Romans 7:6.

So put away plural God is divided against himself,
and put away two Sons Jesus is divided against himself. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace; And Christ is our peace who abolished law.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: law and grace

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. FULFILL (verb) To make happen; carry out, perform, do, complete.
Jeremiah 24: 7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God for they shall return to me with their whole heart.
Romans 10: 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Law # 1 believe Jesus is the son of God.
Law #2 Confess with the mouth (Apostles Creed) before baptism.
Law #3 Baptize

John 14:15 If ye keep my commandments ye shall abide in my love even as I have kept my fathers commandments and abide in his love.
John 15:10 If ye love me keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me and he that loveth me shall be loved of my father and I will love him and will manifest myself in him.
John 15:14 Ye are my friends if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Mathew 5:18 For verely I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mathew 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mathew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Romans 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law of righteousness (written in stone, stored in a wooden ark) to every one that believeth. (law fulfilled by Jesus now written in the heart)
Romans 13:8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13: 9 For this, thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Romans 13: 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13: 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed
John 3: 17 For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. (not by: but through keeping his commandments. Not by Jesus; but through the word he spoke. Not salvation to a man but salvation to the world.

Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (to obey the law written in the heart and fulfilled by love through Jesus who is the first of many)
GRACE: (noun) An extra period allowed for doing or paying.
Jesus did not condemn the world; but through grace allowed a period for the world to repent and perform righteousness. A period to become a people worthy of salvation.
No one knows the day or time.

Re: law and grace

That-i-am,
Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice Mt 5 talks of what prophets HANG on,
which is clarified in Mt 22:36-40 as Law Law;
and the second is notably like unto the first,
and in Rom 8:2 the first is notably sin & death;
a dead end also clarified in Romans 7:10 by Paul.

Point: love thy neighbour = law, not grace;
And this law can be a deadly <-- blow back:
Romans 7:10; 1Thessalonians 5:3; James 1;15.

Notice the law and prophets WERE in Luke 16:16,
Were until Baptist John (2nd coming of Elijah);
but since then the kingdom of God is preached.

It's all allegory in both covenants: Galatians 4.
The allegory-ic meaning for Mt 5:17,18 is this:
I am (grace) not come to destroy (law),
rather I am come to fulfill (grace & truth).

The allegoric script-u-are in Galatians 4 says
to "cast out the bondwoman and her son", is to
say cast out law and result of law: sin & death.
If you don't cast out both, you get a dead end:
"not suffered to continue by reason of death".

The problem with plural Jesus is this:
he has both salvation + destruction;
which notably ends being destroyed. So
God will have all men saved + awared,
obviously to a-void saved + destroyed.
That's what Jude says prior to Revelation.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: law and grace

You major in the writings of dead men but do not hear the living word. Omega...

Re: law and grace

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

On the contrary, not "twice dead" like your
Law1 and Law2 trying to be Alpha and Omega,
witch offers ppl this choice: Death1 or Death2;
But "alive unto God" only offers "Eternal Life".

What you fail to see about your Omega (Law2) is in
worse/better mode it can become a last state worse
when the first becomes last and last becomes first.
Such last state worse is called a state of emergency.

What you call living word is actually living Law,
which is both fearful and a fall in Hebrews 10:31,
and the result noted to bewitched in Galatians 5:4
is this: Christ is of no effect to you, of ye/you.

For rightly divided truth isn't Mt 25's left/right,
is still numbered with transgressors if sit right,
but is Gen 1's under/above sits above transgress.

So get off your Humpty Dumpty wall before you fall,
for be LukeWarm won't make it past Revelation 3:16,
and then the choice becomes Death1 or Death2, not
eternal life, which is neither Death1 nor Death2.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: law and grace

Re: law and grace

Jonas,

Holy Kiss Greet-ing: “Grace unto you, and peace,
from God, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ”.

Re: your querry about contacting GodShew.org

Hint: on the index page (home page)
http://www.godshew.org/index.htm

there’s a link called titled “Contact”
approved@godshew.org

such puts you in direct ‘contact’,
regardless of where you may be,
and regardless of where I may be.

In response to your inquiry about articles,
such are all written by ‘one’ person, since
“God is one” isn’t plural and contrary God,
and a “mediator” is “not of one”: Gal 3:20.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel