Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Indeed, let us dare compare and contrast:
- that world: "that God": "Grace" ... "Above"
- "this world": this God: "Law" ... "Beneath"
Example: John 8:23
- I am not of this world. I am from above.
- Ye (err) are of this world. Ye are beneath.
In "this world" (Law) things can get as complex and confusing as a multi level matrix. Sometimes the harder you try, the worse it gets. Law vs Law can become as Loser vs Loser: hopeless. In this law law world even love fails as oft as people divorce. Lives get ruined by wrongful conviction. Soldiers who make it home from war get PTSD. People who should be trusted (parents, teachers, priests) can turn out to be abusers. It's not even survival of the fittest, for even the fittest can drop dead. Getting sick can become fatal if you get a wrong medication or if you've signed your organ donor card. The list of "jeopardy every hour" is endless, and it can include going to church; For in the churches there are dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters, makers of lies, and lovers of lies: Revelation 22. So nothing in this world of law can be trusted. Even your own family can become your enemy. Believers believe all sorts of whacky religious stuff, like you too can have partiality (a personal Saviour) from an impartial God. It's a world of both good and evil, witch ends badly.
In that world (Grace) that God is light (grace) and in him there is no darkness (law) at all. He will never leave nor forsake you like Law does. That Christ of that God is the end of the law, not the mend of law. So in that world there is no under-taker jeopardy every hour, no enemies to try and love, only friends. It's not a world of good and evil, but good only, which even gets better as people grow in grace. It's not hopeless, but hopeful. For that God is not the author of confusion (law), but of peace (grace). His peace is not won by winning any left/right sides war, but the absense of sides and side effects of war.
When we dare to compare and contrast the glory of law (this world) vs the glory of grace (that world), we find grace is merciful, not merciless, and so exceedingly "much more" glory us that law glory to them fades to nothing by comparison and contrast: 2Corinthians 3; Kinda like the moon and stars fade to nothing (vanish) at the coming of the sun. The Grace (God) of our Lord Jesus Christ is called 'Amazing Grace'. It's not cloudy and depressing, but sunny and enLIGHTening.
So it's not only this world vs that world, but this God vs that God. For the God of this world (Law) is the God of the dead; But the God of that world (Grace) is the God of the living. By dying to the Law (instead of dying by the Law), we become alive unto that God (Grace).
It's like leaving corruption (law) to go on unto incorruption (grace), and like leaving mortality (law) to go unto immortality (grace), and like leaving imperfection (law) to go on unto perfection (grace); in the same manner we leave child to become man, and leave harmful to become harmless.
Hebrews 6 says leaving the principles (laws) let us go on unto perfection (grace). One of the principles to leave is resurrection of dead; For there are no dead to resurrect in perfection. Reusrrection is a grave subject. Grace is not a grave subject. Eternal life is not life after death, but life void of death; Which is only plausible by grace void of law, which is mercy void of sacrifice, which is peace (rest) void of confusion (unrest).
Going on, from Hebrews 6, we find harmless is higher than high, higher than the heavens on high, higher than either side of the majesty on high; As above is not beneath, as that world is not this world, as grace is not law law. So it's not a matter of being right of left/right things on high, but a matter of being above of under/above, and because when above there is no under-taker jeopardy every hour. So Hebrews 13:9 notes it's good (God) thing that the heart be established "with grace", not just under grace, which hasn't profited them occupied in laws.
"With Grace": "Above"... that world of that God.
"Under Grace": "Beneath"...this world of this God.
We all start out "under grace": Romans 6:14,15.
The objective is to be established "with grace".
With Grace: no under-taker jeopardy... harmless.
Under Grace: has under-taker jeopardy... harmful.
The grace of our Lord JC [is] with you all. Amen.
Do not you think that it is one God, but salvation is process.I do not understand how there could be two gods if there will be one END
God introduced simple law in Eden: do not create or follow any law (to make you know good and evil results).
But this Law (which is actually the same you and Paul propose) was already NOT KEPT BY ADAM.
The question is what is mix of law and grace: saying that "ALL are saved" or ADDING LAW TO GRACE saying "law keepers can not be saved"
Grace (not law) unto you, and peace (not confusion),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
NO. You're still mingling "contrary" things, which cannot co-exist in peace, and only mingle to make an oxy-moron; Which God is not, and you should not be either. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. So let's review some things to help bring clarity.
Point #1: There is no partiality with God. So it's either all saved or none saved; All inclusive or all exclusive. Furthermore all inclusive is only plausible by grace void of law, since grace + law is saved + destroyed; Due to being blessed + cursed = accursed. Since grace always is, and law was added, the only plausible mixture is grace + law (added), which becomes life + death (added). Hence the only way for any, and all, to be saved only, is by grace void of law. Hence Christ is the end of the law, and Christ would not receive the "mingled drink", which is allegory for Christ would not receive grace + law, because grace + law would be blessed + cursed, which is saved + destroyed, which is life + death. Such would require resurrection to be alive, but resurrection of the dead includes resurrection of damnation (law), which would continue damning all. Furthermore it would make him God of the dead, and he is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living.
Point #2: By the curse of the law in Deuteronomy (which all the people said amen to twelve times) if any try and fail to keep all the law all the time, unto a thousand generations, it's all cursed; Not just the person who tried and failed. Furthermore if you fail to keep any jot or tiddle of law it's as if failing to keep all the law, and the penalty is death. Obviously some tried and failed to keep all the law, so law becomes a mission impossible; Especially since inexcusable law not only imputes sin, but unpardonable sin, which hath never forgiveness, neither in this world nor the to come. So it is written as in Adam all die: 1Cor 15; Which is allegory for as in Law all die. For the using of laws all perish. So touch not, taste not, handle not any law: Col 2:20-22.
Point #3: The Adamic God is plural: them all and us all; Also partial to us: provided some better thing for us than for them. This plural God concluded all in unbelief to have mercy on all; But such is two alls, one too many alls. Furthermore it would be all dead first, and all alive after. Such would make this God the God of the dead. But we are told the only true God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. So we leave this plural God to go on unto the God of the living.
It's "allegory" in both "covenants", and "mystery" to solve in time; So allegoric mystery with lots of twists to it; requiring thinking on your part to solve it, by connecting all the biblical dots. For escape is by giving more earnest heed to what's said, and escape is either for all or none at all, since there is no partiality with God. So dividing goats and sheep, destroying goats and saving sheep, is as having partiality to sheeple, which is not Godly.
Furthermore if no man is justified by the law: Gal 3, and sacrifice is by the law: Heb 10, then it reasons no man is justified by sacrifice; Especially if told God will have mercy, and not sacrifice, and the not part of such is not then, not now, not ever. Why? Because I will have mercy and not sacrifice, means I will have grace and not law, which means I will salvation and not destruction, which means I will have life and not death. Thereby God cannot die, and because God (Grace) cannot lie (law).
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. Amen.
If there was no law at the begining then someone could create law becouse it was not forbidden.
If everything was allowed then it was also allowed to create some law. It is unescapable.
If there was law to not create any law it was already law and this is what was described in Genesis. Who ever created this first law it was attempt to preserve freedom as much as possible.
For me Grace will create world where everything is possible, whenever you use some law or not.
It is interesting for me that Jesus said "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled"
Grace unto you, and peace (not confusion),
from God, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Higher Grace does not 'forbid' (law); Nor is it 'against' anyone or 'against' anything. Higher 'harmless' Grace simply awares about the dichotomy of peril them (Jude 1:5) and peril us (2Timothy 3:1) if still 'double minded': them/us minded, which James 1:8 notes is 'unstable' both 'ways' when still having plural ways, by having a plural and contrary God on high; Who does provide some 'better' thing for us, than for them. Eg: 'love your enemies' is 'better' than 'hate thine enemy', which both come from the same time past/last days God on 'high'.
Butt even 'love your enemies' still has 'enemies', and thereby still 'stands in jeopardy every hour'; So what's best of good, better, best, is to have no enemies to hate or to love. Such requires putting away plural God on high for the higher God is one, has only friends, no enemies at all.
Eg: 'That God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all' is like allegory saying that Grace is pure grace having no law at all, or like saying that Religion is pure religion having no vanity nor vexation at all, or like saying that Peace has no confusion at all. All friends has no enemies. All grace has no enmity. Oneness is not plural. Plural God is both peril them and peril us: 2Timothy 3:1, whether we are in time past or in last days. Oneness is not last 'days', but last 'day'.
As for Matthew 5:17b, the allegory of such is:
I am (grace) not come to destroy (law),
but to fulfill (to grace and truth).
For only when we know the truth,
came along with grace (John 1:17),
are we made free of believe lies (laws).
And the allegory of Matthew 5:18 is:
Till heaven and earth (doubleminded grace and law) pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law (is both good and evil, life and death). As long as we have both heaven and earth, even a new heaven and earth, we'll have above and under, grace and law, which is life and death, which ends earthy, not heavenly. Hence Colossians 3 says if risen with Christ, who sitteth above, then think only of heavenly things above, not things on the earth.
So until we put away the duality, doublemindedness, plurality of heaven and earth, above and under, it will be like having grace and law, is like having life and death, ends badly: death; Even if be choosing the better of two 'death's in Revelation, by having the better two 'resurrections' from 'graves' in John 5:29, by still having two 'finished's in "Verily, verily" John: John 17:4 and John 19:30. For law imputed sin, when "it is finished", brings death (not eternal life): James 1:15.
Death requires resurrection, which is like reset, play again till you "win" the human "race". For better is not yet best, nor yet true rest.
John 17:4, 1st "finished" the race = "win".
"It is finished", 2nd "finished" = "place". So
Eph 4:27 says neither give "place" to the devil
(allegory: neither give place to the sacrifice),
it later gathers ppl to this "place": Armageddon.
I hope that made some sense to you, of ye/you. For even when you, of ye/you, you can still fall from grace, as noted in Galatians 5:4; Until you get above and beyond both double minded dichotomies of left/right and under/above.
True oneness has neither a left/right dichotomy nor an under/above dichotomy. In that oneness, of that God, higher than the heavens, there is only light, no darkness at all, only grace, no law at all, only mercy, no sacrifice at all, only peace, no confusion at all, only life, no death at all; only eternity, no beginning and end. Such is true rest of the seventh day, has no even-ing and mourn-ing.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
Are you aware that truth definition in logic maybe is also double minded/dichotomy ? In fact "truth" in logic can only be defined by itslef, but logic forbids to define something by itself.
I'm not sure thta duality will be bad by itself. Remember that saying "bad" means law.
In act in Eden only some special kind of duality was forbiden to try and it was good/evil duality. Now this duality is everything e.g. hot/cold has good/evil aspect in it - you can die from it. But it could be different. That in my opinion is the key to definition of law. Every law divides to good/evil depending on your "input". So you have to have entropy and death. It is every law do it.
So first law was not to create/try any law (you could have opositions but not to divide on good/evil axis).
I do not know Bible to much but it is interesting to observe trees in it. E.g. Jesus condomes fig tree which can be in my opinion could be figure of Law from Genesis. Tree days later he is judged.
Interesting is also Jonah, which is very sucessful prophet in Niniva but he disagree with God about tree which God condomes.
As you said law was not abonded but needs to be fulfilled. What will be the result ? Can we imagine it ?
Maybe it will be continuum, where eveything is NOW.
Grace (not law) unto you, and peace (not confusion),
from God, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
NO. Your 'continuum' of Q is imagined, by TV;
due to still being image, of image/likeness.
Image is before, of before/after in Gen 1:26.
Grace does not 'forbid' (law),
Nor even 'imagine' any vain (f-lawed) things;
Unless it's f-lawed grace (both good + evil), like
Noah found in (plural) eyes of the LORD (Adam1).
Adam1/Adam2: 1Cor 15:45 = soul/spirit: Heb 4:12:
Adam1 = a living "soul", not quickening "spirit".
The word of God divides asunder soul <--> spirit,
to get us from soul-ish part, to spirit-ual part.
But spirit-ual still has this to deal with:
"comparing spiritual things with spiritual",
is allegorically comparing laws with grace,
since law can be both natural and spiritual,
but also natural disaster when it's natural,
and spiritual wickedness when it's spiritual.
Noah's soul-ish dichotomy: both clean + unclean,
God + LORD, Grace + Law, is vain as Life + Death.
It saves eight souls and destroys them afterward.
So Noah got inducted to a hall of shame, not fame.
Moral of Deluge allegory is: God is not the LORD;
which is to say good only isn't both good + evil.
So then, leave the soul-ish dichotomy of Adam1,
to go on to the spirit-ual dichotomy of Adam2;
But then also realize it's still of plural God,
Who both "spake" unto them vs "spoke" unto us,
in both "time past" (BC) vs "last days" (AD),
by "prophets" vs by "Son" = better: Hebrews 1.
Eg: love neighbour + hate enenmy vs love enemies.
Love enemies is "better", but still has "enemies".
So plural God both peril them + peril us: 2Tim3:1.
In plural mode "we stand in jeopardy every hour",
even if we not "under" law, but "under" grace,
for both such under(s) have an "under"-taker,
due to still giving "place" to "enmity" (law).
Remember, it's a "mystery" to solve, in time,
(by seek and find grace "in time" to "help")
and "allegory", so then 'allegoric mystery'.
Every good mystery has twists, till very end.
Only the end is all truth, and no lie at all,
and by be-ing all grace, and no law at all,
is as if all light, and no darkness at all.
No even-ing and mourn-ing on "seventh day".
So, Better of twain isn't yet Best nor yet Rest,
until we also put away dichotomy of plural God.
Plural God on "high" is not "higher" God is one.
For potential harmageddon is not yet "harmless".
So a more excellent way isn't broad nor narrow.
If we don't put away plural God & Son on high,
choice becomes Death1 or Death2 in Revelation.
What then? Resurrection1 or Resurrection2. But
even the better of two resurrections is like
reset, play again, till you "win" human race.
1st finished = "win". 2nd finished = "place";
And give "place" to the devil (law) = "death".
Death is what God of the living will not have.
God of the living is not God of the dead.
If there be any dead, it's "greatly err".
Eg: Mt 22:29-32; Mk 12:24-27; Lk 20:34-38.
Err = reset, play again, until none perish.
"Us-ward" is not just right of left/right,
but above of under/above, so none perish.
Grace is not Law. Mercy is not Sacrifice.
Peace is not Confusion. One is not plural.
"Eternal Life" is not both Life and Death.
Rather eternal life is life void of death.
So then, to "lay hold on eternal life",
we leave the dichotomy of life and death,
which is to say leave such grace and law.
That is why the end has no mention of law.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
Grace, and Mercy, and Peace unto you,
from God, our Father, and our Lord JC.
Sorry for delayed response; didn’t notice your last post on GodShew forum.
Indeed, if Grace were ever forced upon people, it would then be as faulty as Law. So “the God of all grace”, aka the “higher” of two Gods (in heaven “higher than the heavens” on high), just waits for people to “ask”, before “liberally” giving people higher learning, and notably “without upbraiding” (no biting and smiting involved). Eg: in my case, like Saul of Saul/Paul, I did all the churchy things even more than pastors and priests, studied more than all my peers, and was more zealous than peers; But in the end of this 2D realm of my life I was weary, from the linear and circular logic, even when right of wrong/right, aka grace of law/grace, which is still division and not peace, still partiality and not perfection. So I finally trashed it all: all Bibles, books, audio tapes, videos, concordances, and notes… in the dumpster. For after seven years of diligent study on 15 lousy pages of Revelation, I couldn’t get anyone’s theory, not even my own, to compute from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. So I gave up what I call study1 of study1/study2; study1 being as Eccleseastes 12:12’s study, and study2 being as 2Timothy 2:15’s study.
Then, while on the couch brooding, due to depression becoming bi-polar dis-order, I remembered and pondered a couple of Bible things, and as if now from within me.
The first thing was that God had said he would never leave nor forsake me, thrice in Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, and Hebrews 13:5. So then, that had to be a different God than the other God who notably said in Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you.
The second thing was about when you lack wisdom, then you should “ask God”, But it clarified such was the God who “upbraided not” (didn’t bite nor smite any), And also clarified how to ask: “nothing wavering”; As noted in James 1:5-8 (KJV). So I asked that God, accordingly, noting I wanted the truth, not more confusion; For Paul said God is not [the author] of confusion (unrest), but of peace (rest).
Then I began getting the “higher” learning, as if being taught directly by the Spirit. It was as 3D mode from above of under/above, not 2D mode from right of left/right. So it was more like ‘dialectic’ logic, which is neither linear logic nor circular logic. Dialectic logic does look at both sides of any issue like law vs grace; But then concludes be neither of such “under the law” vs “under grace”, since both sides are “under”, so both have this problem: an under-taker.
Eg: heart established “with grace” =
neither “under the law” nor “under grace”.
Eg: being no more children =
neither children of the wicked nor children of God.
Eg: above a servant =
neither servants of sin nor servants of righteousness.
Eg: a more excellent way =
neither the broad way nor the narrow way in Mt 7.
Eg: greatest of three things =
neither great tribulation nor greater damnation.
So the higher God had not forced anything on me, but waited for me to ask; And after asking according to James 1:5-8, I got abundance of revelations.
I still have a briefcase of revelations I have not uploaded onto the web site. One reason is that it’s not up to me to do everyone else’s home-work; Else how would they learn and retain the learning if I did it all for them. Another reason is like Paul the Steward, I still both reveal and conceal. This way the mystery gets revealed to those who go on to 3D, but remains a mystery to those still in the 2D mode.
So like higher God, I wait for people to ask, then I share (not teach). Yet when I conceal, it’s as if in plain sight, for truth seekers to find. Eg: the GodShew Epistle, only goes out to subscribers who find it.I notice you haven’t yet found it and not yet subscribed to receive it.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.
Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
You seem to have conflated the meaning of a "prescriptive" law or a law that "prescribes" (e.g., "Thou shalt not kill") with the meaning of a "descriptive" law or a law that "describes" (e.g., F = MA); for the former comprises those things which are violable or able to be violated (e.g., edicts, rules etc.) while the latter comprises those things which are inviolable or not able to be violable.
Now any "law" whatsoever that "prescribes" anything whatsoever (e.g., one of the Ten Commandments) is a law that is violable. However, the expression "You can't put on incorruption (grace),
till you first put off corruption (law)" does NOT "prescribe" anything whatsoever; for it is merely a saying which expresses a proposition that DESCRIBES a certain reality - namely, that is NOT possible for one to put on incorruption without firstly putting off corruption.
Thus, clearly, such an expression is actually a DESCRIPTION, even a proper subclass of those sorts of things which are subsumed under that class of things which are NOT violable.
The grace of our Lord Jesus (the) Christ (be) with you all. Amen.
I understand that there is difference between this laws. But both are laws :). That what I want to say. In fact F=MA is physical law, but it is also a law which bind us to something.
The question is if at the end it will be no law at all (I can not imagine it too :)) or maybe law you propose which prevents from falling into another law.