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Re: Is Logic a Law ?


Grace (not law) unto you, and peace (not confusion),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

No. In my case Grace does not require Law. Just the opposite: Grace is sufficient, but only when law is not added to grace. For when law is added, it makes grace "no more grace".

Example: Galatians. The churches of Galtia began in the grace of Christ (is the end of the law). But they soon got "removed" from "the grace of Christ" by adding another law: love thy neighbor. In so doing (trying to be justified by law again), they fell from grace, and the result noted in Galatians 5:4 is this: Christ is of no effect to you, if justified by law. For then you are not led of the Spirit (Grace), but driven by the Ghost (Law).

So let us note the difference:
Law Driven: walk before me
Grace Led: follow me

It's like the difference pertaining to forgiveness:
Lord's Prayer: you first forgive for Law to forgive.
Paul's Epistles: God (Grace) first forgave you, and while yet sinners: Romans 5:8 ... Ephesians 4:32.

Notice the only plausible way "God hath forgiven you", and "while yet sinners", is by abolition of law; Since the law not only imputes sin, but also unpardonable sin, both in this world and the to come. As for the unpardonable sin: blaspheme the Ghost (speak against Law), everyone has in some small way done it, even if only to say a parental law was unfair, or an old law should be changed. So then, the only way God could forgive you of unpardonable sin is by abolition of law, all law written in stone and ink; By abolition of one lousy tree law in Genesis 2:17, since all other law was added because of it.

Furthermore, if these "contrary" things were of the same God, it would not only make this God an oxymoron, but have partiality to us of them/us:
- conclude them all in unbelief: sinners all
- have mercy on us all: sinners none

Worse yet, it would make God himself a sinner to conclude sinners all, none righteous, no, not one; Because God is one.

So then, we obviously have two Gods to sort out:
- the God of the dead: Law
- the God of the living: Grace
For we are told he is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living; Which is to allegory say he is not Law, but Grace. For such are "contrary" things, which can never co-exist in peace. Example:

Law: I will forsake you (Jeremiah 23:39)
Grace: I will never forsake you (Deuteronomy 4:31; Deuteronomy 31:6; Joshua 1:6; Hebrews 13:5)

I will have mercy, and not sacrifice,
is to allegory say I will have grace, not law.
Ps 40:6; 51:16; Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13; 12:7; Heb 10.

So the will of God, the mystery of his will made known unto us, is to have grace, not law; And the not part is not then, not now, not ever. Until we do that, we cannot receive the promise: Hebrews 10:36. All those who didn't do it notably died and received not the promise: Hebrews 11:13,39. So Hebrews 11 is not a hall of fame, but a hall of shame, and for playing the blame game.

Therefore, grace does not require law. For in saying my grace is sufficient for thee, it is as if saying no law is required. For that God is light, and him there is no darkness at all; Which is to allegory say that God is grace, and in him there is no law at all; And to allegory say that God is merciful, and in him there is no sacrifice at all; And to allegory say that God is peace (rest), and in him there is no division (unrest) at all. For God is not [the author] of confusion (unrest), but of peace (rest).

Jesus did not bring peace (rest), but rather brought swordy division (unrest). Christ is our peace (rest) who abolished the law. So then peace with God is notably "through Jesus --> Christ", only in Christ; And reconciling the world is done in Christ, not in Jesus. For Jesus was made under the law, but Christ is the end of the law. Jesus was not perfected, but Christ was made perfect, and thereby is author of eternal salvation, not both salvation and destruction. Jesus had goodness + severity, but Christ has only goodness. So firstly move on from Jesus to Christ, and then also be reconciled to God through Christ --> God-ward. For redeemed is not reconciled, and reconciled to death is a dead end which involves "forsaken", notable in seven last utterances of cloudy Jesus. Such then requires resurrection, but if there also be the resurrection of damnation (law), it only continues the damnation process from the grave, and with "greater damnation" to those in Mt 23 who compass land and sea to make one proselyte: twofold: more the child of hell (law).

Law is a grave subject.
Grace is not a grave subject.

Eternal life is not life after death, but rather life void of death. You don't get that by saying grace requires law, which is to say life requires death. Such would be to say awareness requires ignorance; Or to say oneness requires duality. It's absurd, as preposterous as teaching first and learning after.

God said let there be light (awareness, via grace and truth, eternal life thereof); Not both darkness and light. Light makes darkness flee, as awareness makes ignornance flee. Sheesh, even athiests are aware enough to notice if God were both light and darkness, he'd be an oxymoron, having bi-polar dis-order, like Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde: unapproachable since you never know if he might be having a vengeful law worketh wrath day. Yet they have not noticed God is light void of darkness means God is grace void of law. For they remain double-minded: good and evil; thinking themselves good of good vs evil; When told God is good only, and has no such duality nor any partiality.

Furthermore the day of the LORD (LAW) is darkness, and not light. So let's not go there; For there is no light in the grave.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 25, 2011 8:24am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Apr 25, 2011 1:02pm
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 26, 2011 1:07am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Apr 26, 2011 6:59am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 26, 2011 9:13am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 26, 2011 10:20am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Apr 26, 2011 4:27pm
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 26, 2011 7:36pm
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Apr 27, 2011 6:42am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Apr 28, 2011 6:12am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Apr 28, 2011 8:22am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Jun 22, 2012 11:18am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Jun 23, 2012 11:08am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Jun 25, 2012 1:17am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Daniel Miles - Jun 26, 2012 11:42am
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - Jul 5, 2012 3:55am
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Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by ewashington7000 - Apr 28, 2011 11:20pm
Re: Is Logic a Law ? - by Marek - May 6, 2011 1:03am