Hey Daniel Miles,


I say you are a very smart person who possesses a very dizzying intellect, but there is just one huge whole in your argument and it began back in 1754 for that was the year Rev. Thomas Maurice was born. He became a fully ordained minister of the cross by the time he turned nineteen. He furthered his education at Oxford where he received a master’s degree. He became a noted oriental historian and scholar through his more than 30 publications he created throughout his life. The one that will make all the difference to you was published in 1800 entitled, A Dissertation on the Oriental Trinities. Where Rev. Maurice, throughout this dissertation, let the cat out of the bag.
Twenty-six years later, Sir George Tomline who received his Doctorate from the Cambridge conglobation and once was the Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral. Thoroughly investigated Maurice’s work and found himself in agreement with it. Thus, publishing Maurice’s work in his book entitled, The Elements of Christian Theology. This book was used for years in the seminaries training folks to become ministers of the cross.
Then in 1831 the Wesleyan Conference commissioned their brightest ornament, Rev. Richard Watson, to compile A Biblical and Theological Dictionary. Rev. Watson thus sincerely investigated the works of Maurice and Tomline and found himself in agreement. As a result he published their findings in his book that was likewise used in the seminaries for years training folks to become ministers of the cross.
So, here you have 3 noted Christian authorities that confess the same doctrine in one voice. Sir Tomline voiced it on page 74 in vol. 2 of his said book. While Rev. Watson declared it on pages 922 and 923 of his said book. Pray tell what did these 3 wise men reveal? I’ll quote Rev. Watson’s:

“The same learned author (Rev. Maurice) justly considers the first two verses of the Old Testament as containing very strong, if not decisive, evidence in support of the truth of this doctrine: Elohim, a noun substantive of a plural number (a common plural noun), by which the Creator is expressed, evidently points toward a plurality of persons in the divine nature… ‘In the beginning God created;’ with strict attention to grammatical propriety (correctness), the passage should be rendered, ‘In the beginning Gods created,’ but our belief in the unity of God (monotheism, the singularity of God) forbids us thus to translate (accordingly) the word Elohim (as Gods). Since, therefore, Elohim is plural, and no plural consists of less than two in number and since creation can alone be the work of (one) Deity…”

Daniel, do you realize what this means? This means that the translators of the Bible did NOT perform a word for word translation, BUT edited, re-wrote, deleted whatever was needed in order to create a Bible interpretation that would embrace THEIR beliefs. Thus, if all you have ever read is the Bible, like the KJV. Then you have no idea what God really said through the inspired Biblical authors. All YOU KNOW is what the translators think the Bible should say… what the interpreters think God should have said and NOT what God ACTUALLY said through the Biblical authors via a word for word translation.
The proof is found by performing a true word for word translation of the first line of Genesis. KJV “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
The first ancient word in this sentence actually means: principle thing.
Principle means: in the beginning
Thing means: any tangible object or the physical
Thus the first word means: In the beginning of the physical.
Second word is Elohim (and according to the three wise guys above) it means: Gods… but more on this later.
The third word is a partial translation it actually means: to cut down (BLANK) in order to create. You see the ancients understood then what we know now that one has to go and cut down some sort of raw material first and then use that to create whatever you want with it. For instance, in order to build a house one has to cut down the raw material of trees in order to do so and so on and so forth. My question is this. What raw material did Elohim have available to them in order to cut it down and create the universe with when nothing has been created yet? The answer is found in the fourth word written by the ancient authors, BUT NEVER TRANSLATED BY THE TRANSLATORS. Yes, they skipped this one or deleted it from their interpretation. The word they dropped means: SELF. So, Elohim cut down self… Other words they took a portion of their very own spirit and used that to create every atom in the universe. Hence every atom in the universe became the very physical body of Elohim. And as my body will move as I tell it to so will the body of Elohim (every atom) moved and do whenever they told it to do. So, when Elohim said, Let there be light. The body of Elohim (the atoms of the universe) jumped together and created stars as far as the eye can see. The fifth word actually means: the sky… and what is in the sky but the sun, moon and stars. Other words the universe. The sixth word was interpreted to mean “and” yet actually the ancients wrote the word “self” again. Referring to how Elohim cut down self in order to create. The seventh and last word written means “the firm” referring to the very firm ground you are standing upon. The interpreters claim it to mean “the earth.” So, what do we have so far if we put it into a somewhat proper English sentence? “In the beginning of the physical Elohim cut down self in order to create the universe and the very firm ground you stand upon.” Now let’s take a closer look at the word ‘Elohim’… who are these gods anyway? How about we let our Heavenly Father tell us who they are! We find the answer in the 82nd psalms where the story is told of how our Heavenly Father called all the Gods (Elohim) together to “Roy a straight course.” That is to have a face to face-heart to heart talk with them all. And in verse six our Heavenly Father declares, I said ye are Elohim (gods) and all of you are Children of the Most High! Therefore, Elohim are the Children of the Most High. So, what does a word for word translations of Gen 1:1 really say?

In the beginning of the physical the Children of the Most High cut down self in order to create the universe and the very firm ground you are standing upon.

Now Daniel, when you concerned that there is over 31,000 verses in the Bible and after any fair minded person would compares the real word for word translation of Gen 1:1 to the interpretation. They would clearly see how much information was keep from them and lost. Can you even begin to imagine how much of God’s true word you have NEVER SEEN? You see Daniel this is the huge whole in your reasoning. All you know is the word and faith of man... the interpreters. You don’t have any idea what the inspired ancient authors of the Old Testament really said. Likewise, you don’t know what Jesus really taught. You’re like a blind man trying to relay a plot of a silent movie he just watched solo. You have no idea what you are talking about. This is why Jesus said, “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.”(Mt 6:19) The Bible is an earthly treasure that has been corrupted by the interpreters who claimed their work to be a word for word translation when in reality it was not. So many of us trusted them to do it right and they didn’t. I highly suggest you discover what God really taught us. It will make all the difference in the world. I know it did for me.

Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ for the "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. "Amen".

Drt,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Indeed, Elohim (Elohiym in Strongs) is plural; And Genesis 1:1 in the Hebrew (read right to left) is a Menorah Seven having plural things in the midst as well as on either side of such plural divided central lamp considered the seventh. See link for details:
http://www.godshew.org/Sevens3.htm

But you missed my point that it's all "allegory", and written as "mystery" to solve; notably the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ: Colossians 2. So allegoric mystery about Mother + Father = Son; And if these three are not Mercy + Grace = Peace, then Son can be a son of a bitch or a miserable bastard. Every good mystery has twists to it. We solve it by seek and find, using see-king clues to "find grace" to "obtain mercy", and notably "in time".

The stated purpose is our "learning". So then it's a virtue-all learning game, not a blame game inducts all players into a hall of shame, not fame.

For it is preposterous order to teach first and learn after, or to be a man and still a child, or to be saved and still give place to destroyed after, which can only happen by grace and law after.

So Bible has schoolmaster law first and grace after, for child-ren first and man-kind after. But if child not put away, "let us make man" can't be stablished; If destructive law not put away, "saved by grace" can't be established. If death by law not put away, lay hold on eternal life gets thwarted. So the Bible talks of put away child to be man as if put away part to be perfect and as if put away law to grace us and as if put away death to lay hold on eternal life.

For "eternal life" is neither "life eternal" nor life after death, but rather it's life void of death, which speaks of grace void of law, mercy void of sacrifice, and peace void of division. The peace God authors is even peace void of confusion.

Eternal God has neither beginning of days nor end of life, and our goal is to be reconciled to "that God" can't lie nor die. Until we apply the see-king clues, that God remains invisible; And until we properly apply take away the first to establish the second that God remains inaccessible. For he doesn't want a deadly virus that could make him non eternal. So we're grounded, quarantined, till we put away law.

As for the 3 wise men you mentioned, they were not suffered to continue by reason of death. Endure to the end to be saved obviously requires continuance. So they failed, by giving place to destroyed after; which is to say they gave place to law afterward. Since law is both natural and spiritual, it's not just natural disaster, but spiritual disaster after. So good thing it's only a God shew, and nobody really dies in a shew where the end (of law) is grace only, life only, especially if it's the JC sort of grace that's with you all, against none. For the Noahic sort of grace + law was partial, saved only 8 souls to keep corruptible seed alive, then later sacrificed them, making it total destruction when studied out. Same scenario with Exodus folk: saved + destroyed. So let's not go there, to life + death of grace + law.

Charity "never faileth" because it "thinketh no evil". Law is both good and evil; So obviously charity thinketh no law. No law would be no sin even imputed to forgive. So that's why charity is put on above forgiving one another. That way, the more excellent way, we can never fail to forgive. Selah.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. Amen.