Dear Drt,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Your argument for keep Law is fLAWED.
Here's some biblical things to ponder:

1. Mouth of Two Sons Jesus was a twoedged "sword": Matthew 10:34; Not peace. The word of God (Grace) is "sharper than any twoedged sword": Hebrews 4:12. If you don't like Paul (writes more NT than all six other NT writers combined), then move on to James, says "this man's religion is vain" ("all vanity and vexation of Spirit": Solomon: Ecclesiastes). Vain, and because he didn't bridle his tongue. What came out the Mouth of Lamby Jesus was sweet and bitter, bitter if swallowed. For law is both good and evil, ends evil. Law blesses and curses, ends accursed. So, as Jesus himself said: it's what comes out the mouth which "defileth" man: Matthew 15:11. So, by speaking Law, Jesus defiled (condemned, accursed) himself and all humanity. Paul notes this in Romans 2 and in Galatians 3. John 3:17 says God did NOT send his "Son" to condemn (law), but to save (grace). So it reasons (Come now, let us reason together) Two Sons Jesus (swordy division, not peace) isn't one Son Christ (peace, not divided). This is also confirmed by noting both unrisen and risen Jesus upbraided: Matthew 11:20; Mark 16:14, but God upbraideth not: James 1:5; Also by noting Christ (Son of God only) would not accuse (law): John 5:45, nor condemn (law): John 3:17; 8:11. So, even if we skip Paul's writings, it's still there, since it all dovetails.
http://www.godshew.org/TwoEdgedSword.html

2. Jesus brought division, not peace: Luke 12:51.
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. So
Mark & Avoid them causing divisions: Romans 16:17. For there is no respect of persons (no partiality) with God and Son: Solomon (Proverbs 24:23 & 28:21), Paul (Romans 2:11 & Ephesians 6:9), James 2:2 & 3:17. Sheesh, even the Herodians, sent by the Pharisees, knew that much about God & Son: Matthew 22:16.
http://www.godshew.org/Partiality.html

3. Peace with God is "THROUGH Jesus --> Christ", only in "Christ" thereof: in him there is no sin (law). For Jesus (who was made under the law and of woman) brought division, not peace; But Christ (who is the end of the law and of transgression) brought peace, not division. Furthermore Jesus is only Saviour of Israel, but Christ is "the Saviour of the world". So reconciling "the world" to God is done "in Christ", not in Jesus (had part-iality); And by NOT imputing their trespasses unto them: 2Corinthians 5:19.
http://www.godshew.org/Reconciliation.htm

4. Since you mentioned the Lord's Prayer, let's consider the PS to such in Matthew 6:14,15; Which notes you must first forgive to get forgiveness from Law, which only forgives AS you forgive, and Law also unforgives those forgiven: Eg: Matthew 18:23-35. But God (who is perfect = merciful: Mat 5:48; Lk 6:36) notably first forgave you, and before you forgave others (while you were yet a sinner, an enemy, having enmity). Ask yourself: how did God do that, if inexcusable Law also imputes unpardonable sin? Obviously it's only plausible by the abolition of Law when thoroughly studied out and reasoned. http://www.godshew.org/ShewBread2.htm#LordPrayer

5. A Little leaven leaventh the whole lump: Childish law can leaven all mankind, as the woman leavened the whole kingdom of heaven: Matthew 13:33. So beware the leaven (law, doctrine) of the Pharisees; And grow up in grace to the point of no law = fulness of Christ.
http://www.godshew.org/Leaven.html
Also note: "Jesus" was head of Chidren vs Children sides wars (division, unrest). But "Christ" is the head of every "Man" (puts away Child-ish things). God said let us make "Man", because blessed the "Man" to whom the Lord will not impute sin. So be a Man of Child/Man, and then also note God is not a Man. Note the operation of God removes all sin by removing all law; For even a little cancer us law can kill the whole body of Christ, including the head of the body, if not all removed in time. The head of Christ is God (Grace). So His Grace will not compromise with Law; God will have mercy (grace), and not sacrifice (law).
http://www.godshew.org/Allegory5.htm

6. "Jesus" in heavenly Jerusalem: "Sion", is indeed the "mediator" of a new covenant (better testament): Hebrews 12. But...
- there is a "stumblingstone" (law: sacrifice) laid in "Sion" to stumble on and fall from grace (deception to get "deceived", bewitched, beset by); So take "heed" lest you get "deceived" by it: Mt 24. Escape is by give more earnest "heed" to the details, and the only other option is "not escape", which happens to "them" who say "Peace and safety" in law.
- a "mediator" is "not of one" (God): Galatians. So "Christ" rose "higher than the heavens", "above" Sion still has "jeopardy" of stumbling and falling
- better of good/better (two things) isn't best of good/better/best (three things); And only the greatest of great/greater/greatest never fails nor falls, since greater can also be "greater damnation" if law (damnation) is not taken away (put away, put off, abolished, done away, nailed as enmity, etc). Eg: even the "new" Jerusalem, of old/new Jerusalems, notably falls (descends) "out" of heaven in Revelation 21, because of children vs children sides wars, even "children of the kingdom" get "cast out": Matthew 8:12. So be no more children, since "children" get "cast out", and be not servants (slaves), since slaves are not free and forgiven servants later get unforgiven and tormented: Mt 18.

7. Two Sons Jesus often mirrorly reverses things.
Eg: against/with (law/grace) is mirrorly reversed to with/against (grace/law) in Mt 12:30-37; And when "he taketh away the first to establish the second" is applied, then what's reversed by Jesus takes away grace to establish law: sin: death, followed by hell.
Eg: "he said" changes to "said he" in Luke 21. Eg: "life eternal" in Mt 25:46 isn't "eternal life"; Nor is divisional goats/sheep unity of the Spirit.

So the gospel of Paul (no condemnation nor damnation in grace multiplies peace: noted by converted Peter) is NOT the gospel of Jesus has damnation and greater damnation, via law and another law: two laws (loves)the prophets (know not servants, slaves) hang on. Rather the gospel of Paul is notably two things:
- "the gospel of God": Grace, and
- "the gospel of Christ": Peace
So all Paul's epistles (except Hebrews, which is a mini bible itself) notably open with Grace & Peace from God & Son, also close with JC grace (God) only. In between his opening and closing grace it's a sh*t sandwich: contains both law/grace: division: unrest; But by opening and closing grace it's as if deadly law is quarantined while looking at such dis-ease, such un-rest, of lawed-grace. For even grace of law/grace is still division, not peace; still partiality, not perfection; and still "jeopardy". So Paul's ending conclusions are always "grace" only. No division nor partiality nor jeopardy in pure grace.

Chew on such things I've 'shared' to take "heed" of, give more earnest "heed" to; And notice the Olivet Discourse is from atop a graveyard: mount of Olives.

Note James asks: Does a vine bring forth olives? No!Does a fountain bring forth fresh and salt water? No!
So then grace (sweet) + law (bitter) "ought not come out the same mouth". No man or angel should both speak + spake such grace + law out the same mouth (like Jesus did, or like Gabriel did); Nor should it be given double minded "Amen, amen", like the woman did in Numbers 5:22 upon being both blessed + cursed = accursed by her priest, and all the people did in Nehemiah 8:6. Such is as Life + Death = Dead End coming out the same mouth: And double minded "Amen, amen" to such is obviously saved + destroyed after, the dead end (destruction) of deadly law, which is notably "the ministration of death". Selah.

Two Sons Jesus notably both spoke + spake (see Heb 1 re spake/spoke), both answered and said (see Gal 4 re answewreth), in the four gospel accounts. The last of four is notably double minded "verily verily" (John), allegorically as if "last [state] worse", not better. The law and the prophets were until John, but since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man (of child/man) presseth into it: Luke 16:16.

Double minded = unstable (unrest) all ways.
Grace + Law is as if Life + Death: Dead End.

The Bible has no such dead end, because the end to endure unto to be saved only by grace only, instead of both saved + destroyed by grace + law (Jude 1:5): that end (of law) which is already written, notably has no law = no sin = no death sting followed by hell; And the last "Amen" to that is not double:

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. "Amen".

Hey Daniel Miles,


I say you are a very smart person who possesses a very dizzying intellect, but there is just one huge whole in your argument and it began back in 1754 for that was the year Rev. Thomas Maurice was born. He became a fully ordained minister of the cross by the time he turned nineteen. He furthered his education at Oxford where he received a master’s degree. He became a noted oriental historian and scholar through his more than 30 publications he created throughout his life. The one that will make all the difference to you was published in 1800 entitled, A Dissertation on the Oriental Trinities. Where Rev. Maurice, throughout this dissertation, let the cat out of the bag.
Twenty-six years later, Sir George Tomline who received his Doctorate from the Cambridge conglobation and once was the Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral. Thoroughly investigated Maurice’s work and found himself in agreement with it. Thus, publishing Maurice’s work in his book entitled, The Elements of Christian Theology. This book was used for years in the seminaries training folks to become ministers of the cross.
Then in 1831 the Wesleyan Conference commissioned their brightest ornament, Rev. Richard Watson, to compile A Biblical and Theological Dictionary. Rev. Watson thus sincerely investigated the works of Maurice and Tomline and found himself in agreement. As a result he published their findings in his book that was likewise used in the seminaries for years training folks to become ministers of the cross.
So, here you have 3 noted Christian authorities that confess the same doctrine in one voice. Sir Tomline voiced it on page 74 in vol. 2 of his said book. While Rev. Watson declared it on pages 922 and 923 of his said book. Pray tell what did these 3 wise men reveal? I’ll quote Rev. Watson’s:

“The same learned author (Rev. Maurice) justly considers the first two verses of the Old Testament as containing very strong, if not decisive, evidence in support of the truth of this doctrine: Elohim, a noun substantive of a plural number (a common plural noun), by which the Creator is expressed, evidently points toward a plurality of persons in the divine nature… ‘In the beginning God created;’ with strict attention to grammatical propriety (correctness), the passage should be rendered, ‘In the beginning Gods created,’ but our belief in the unity of God (monotheism, the singularity of God) forbids us thus to translate (accordingly) the word Elohim (as Gods). Since, therefore, Elohim is plural, and no plural consists of less than two in number and since creation can alone be the work of (one) Deity…”

Daniel, do you realize what this means? This means that the translators of the Bible did NOT perform a word for word translation, BUT edited, re-wrote, deleted whatever was needed in order to create a Bible interpretation that would embrace THEIR beliefs. Thus, if all you have ever read is the Bible, like the KJV. Then you have no idea what God really said through the inspired Biblical authors. All YOU KNOW is what the translators think the Bible should say… what the interpreters think God should have said and NOT what God ACTUALLY said through the Biblical authors via a word for word translation.
The proof is found by performing a true word for word translation of the first line of Genesis. KJV “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
The first ancient word in this sentence actually means: principle thing.
Principle means: in the beginning
Thing means: any tangible object or the physical
Thus the first word means: In the beginning of the physical.
Second word is Elohim (and according to the three wise guys above) it means: Gods… but more on this later.
The third word is a partial translation it actually means: to cut down (BLANK) in order to create. You see the ancients understood then what we know now that one has to go and cut down some sort of raw material first and then use that to create whatever you want with it. For instance, in order to build a house one has to cut down the raw material of trees in order to do so and so on and so forth. My question is this. What raw material did Elohim have available to them in order to cut it down and create the universe with when nothing has been created yet? The answer is found in the fourth word written by the ancient authors, BUT NEVER TRANSLATED BY THE TRANSLATORS. Yes, they skipped this one or deleted it from their interpretation. The word they dropped means: SELF. So, Elohim cut down self… Other words they took a portion of their very own spirit and used that to create every atom in the universe. Hence every atom in the universe became the very physical body of Elohim. And as my body will move as I tell it to so will the body of Elohim (every atom) moved and do whenever they told it to do. So, when Elohim said, Let there be light. The body of Elohim (the atoms of the universe) jumped together and created stars as far as the eye can see. The fifth word actually means: the sky… and what is in the sky but the sun, moon and stars. Other words the universe. The sixth word was interpreted to mean “and” yet actually the ancients wrote the word “self” again. Referring to how Elohim cut down self in order to create. The seventh and last word written means “the firm” referring to the very firm ground you are standing upon. The interpreters claim it to mean “the earth.” So, what do we have so far if we put it into a somewhat proper English sentence? “In the beginning of the physical Elohim cut down self in order to create the universe and the very firm ground you stand upon.” Now let’s take a closer look at the word ‘Elohim’… who are these gods anyway? How about we let our Heavenly Father tell us who they are! We find the answer in the 82nd psalms where the story is told of how our Heavenly Father called all the Gods (Elohim) together to “Roy a straight course.” That is to have a face to face-heart to heart talk with them all. And in verse six our Heavenly Father declares, I said ye are Elohim (gods) and all of you are Children of the Most High! Therefore, Elohim are the Children of the Most High. So, what does a word for word translations of Gen 1:1 really say?

In the beginning of the physical the Children of the Most High cut down self in order to create the universe and the very firm ground you are standing upon.

Now Daniel, when you concerned that there is over 31,000 verses in the Bible and after any fair minded person would compares the real word for word translation of Gen 1:1 to the interpretation. They would clearly see how much information was keep from them and lost. Can you even begin to imagine how much of God’s true word you have NEVER SEEN? You see Daniel this is the huge whole in your reasoning. All you know is the word and faith of man... the interpreters. You don’t have any idea what the inspired ancient authors of the Old Testament really said. Likewise, you don’t know what Jesus really taught. You’re like a blind man trying to relay a plot of a silent movie he just watched solo. You have no idea what you are talking about. This is why Jesus said, “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.”(Mt 6:19) The Bible is an earthly treasure that has been corrupted by the interpreters who claimed their work to be a word for word translation when in reality it was not. So many of us trusted them to do it right and they didn’t. I highly suggest you discover what God really taught us. It will make all the difference in the world. I know it did for me.

Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ for the "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. "Amen".

Drt,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Indeed, Elohim (Elohiym in Strongs) is plural; And Genesis 1:1 in the Hebrew (read right to left) is a Menorah Seven having plural things in the midst as well as on either side of such plural divided central lamp considered the seventh. See link for details:
http://www.godshew.org/Sevens3.htm

But you missed my point that it's all "allegory", and written as "mystery" to solve; notably the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ: Colossians 2. So allegoric mystery about Mother + Father = Son; And if these three are not Mercy + Grace = Peace, then Son can be a son of a bitch or a miserable bastard. Every good mystery has twists to it. We solve it by seek and find, using see-king clues to "find grace" to "obtain mercy", and notably "in time".

The stated purpose is our "learning". So then it's a virtue-all learning game, not a blame game inducts all players into a hall of shame, not fame.

For it is preposterous order to teach first and learn after, or to be a man and still a child, or to be saved and still give place to destroyed after, which can only happen by grace and law after.

So Bible has schoolmaster law first and grace after, for child-ren first and man-kind after. But if child not put away, "let us make man" can't be stablished; If destructive law not put away, "saved by grace" can't be established. If death by law not put away, lay hold on eternal life gets thwarted. So the Bible talks of put away child to be man as if put away part to be perfect and as if put away law to grace us and as if put away death to lay hold on eternal life.

For "eternal life" is neither "life eternal" nor life after death, but rather it's life void of death, which speaks of grace void of law, mercy void of sacrifice, and peace void of division. The peace God authors is even peace void of confusion.

Eternal God has neither beginning of days nor end of life, and our goal is to be reconciled to "that God" can't lie nor die. Until we apply the see-king clues, that God remains invisible; And until we properly apply take away the first to establish the second that God remains inaccessible. For he doesn't want a deadly virus that could make him non eternal. So we're grounded, quarantined, till we put away law.

As for the 3 wise men you mentioned, they were not suffered to continue by reason of death. Endure to the end to be saved obviously requires continuance. So they failed, by giving place to destroyed after; which is to say they gave place to law afterward. Since law is both natural and spiritual, it's not just natural disaster, but spiritual disaster after. So good thing it's only a God shew, and nobody really dies in a shew where the end (of law) is grace only, life only, especially if it's the JC sort of grace that's with you all, against none. For the Noahic sort of grace + law was partial, saved only 8 souls to keep corruptible seed alive, then later sacrificed them, making it total destruction when studied out. Same scenario with Exodus folk: saved + destroyed. So let's not go there, to life + death of grace + law.

Charity "never faileth" because it "thinketh no evil". Law is both good and evil; So obviously charity thinketh no law. No law would be no sin even imputed to forgive. So that's why charity is put on above forgiving one another. That way, the more excellent way, we can never fail to forgive. Selah.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you all. Amen.