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Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's a nice theory, to just legislate salvation and peace to the world, or perhaps have it apply only to those who've earned it by believing something or doing something religious. But eternal salvation, peace thereof, is learned by get it: understanding, and to the point there is no misdunderstanding.

JC said God said, and to Pharisees who would have people earn their salvation by law abiding: "go ye and LEARN what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice": Matthew 9:13 from Hosea 6:6.

As Paul The Apostle puts it, in his seven course meal (has seven Amens) to Jews and Gentiles: "whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our LEARNING": Romans 15:4.

So we, who would have true peace via global salvation play the awareness game instead of the blame games.

As Plato puts it: no ordinance or law is mightier than understanding.

As Solomon puts it in Proverbs 4: with all thy getting, get understanding. It results in thy head (Christ) being crowned with grace glory (glory of God we fell short of by believe a law, a surely die lie).

As Nickleback band puts it: if everybody loves and nobody lies, then we'll see the day nobody dies.

So let us learn there is no respect of persons with God and Son, which even the Herodians seemed to know. Therefore salvation of the eternal sort applies to all, or else none at all. So let's put away the personal Saviour theories, since Jesus is not even Saviour of the world, but Saviour of Israel; And get on with learning to get it: understanding to the point of having no misunderstanding.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

Good Meowing to you Daniel,
What is truth? What is lies? How do we "get it"?There is only one truth and it lives within all of us. We accept it or reject it. People look to "god" and the bible for answers. They want to worship "god". Father in Heaven wants only one thing. That is for us to love Him. Who would want to be worshipped. Mob leaders like it, big headed movie stars like it, religous leaders like it, people with swelling egos like it. So! Why would Father in Heaven like it? Do we put Him in the company of the people just listed? It is the ruler and "god" of THIS universe who loves to be worshipped. Even commanding the killing of all who dare to worship other gods. "God" wants all the worship and attention for himself. Who is this ego maniac "god" who commands murder and sacrifice? Father in Heaven does not even know evil. How could He? The "god" of this world lives in people who do not know the character of the true Father. When we know the charater of the true Father, we know truth. Who then could lie to us?

If we are to "get it", we must know it. But what is "it"? Simple, the character and love of the true Father, not "god" and his followers who speak of murder and sacrifice. It is not the ones who write of innocent blood being shed to cover our filthy deeds. How could spilling blood and believing in spilling innocent blood save us? Does it not condem us? Ask yourself one question, who speaks more of the shedding of innocent blood saving us than all others in history?

Salvation learned? No. We already are born with salvation from Father. It is Damnation that is learned from "god" and his great "apostles"!

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

Dear Felix,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for input on this topic. I agree with some of your input, but not with your erroneous conclusion.

What is truth? Grace is sufficient (no law req'd).
What is lies? Laws are lies: John 1:17
How do we get it: understanding? By embracing it.
Furthermore we should get it: understanding to the point of no misunderstanding (no schism) in the body.

Indeed, God our Father, which art, in heaven, is perfect and also merciful (Matthew 5:48 & Luke 6:36), not also merciless as Law was. So when speaking of God as our Father we should name such hallowedness: Grace; For Grace cannot lie nor die, but Law does both. Grace neither tempts (laws) not can be tempted (lawed). Grace does not think both good and evil as Law does, but rather good only. Grace does not author confusion, but rather peace. Law authors confusion and frustration. Law frustrates (vexes) God's grace.

However in the end of our get it: understanding, we should not even name the Liar, the false God Father, the Law, since even naming it would give such devil law place, which would also give place to sin, unpardonable sin, wrath to come, and death to all.

Plural and contrary scriptures were notably written aforetime for our "learning": Romans 15:4; And JC said God said: go ye and "learn" what this meaneth: "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice": Matthew 9:13. So we go to Hebrews 10 and learn it means true God and Son will have grace, not law. For such things are an allegory: Galatians 4, and a mystery to solve in time: noted over 20 times, with the primary objective being: with all thy getting, get it: understanding, and to the point there is no misunderstanding at all: Proverbs 4. I find no misunderstanding at all when law is exposed as the liar, the false God, the enmity, the accuser of the brethren, the ministration of condemnation and death to all. The weight to lose, in order to do the end run along with patience does it at a grace pace: light speed, is sacrifice, which is of the law.

Felix, if we are born with salvation, then what need is there for being "born again"? If we are born a perfect man, what need is there to put away childish things (laws) to be one grace us man kind? If we are born with perfection already, what need is there to "go on unto perfection"? So Felix, salvation of the eternal sort is learned, not earned.

Only what began can end. Law began.
Eternal Grace has no begin nor end.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

I will answer your question. We are born with the true Father. We have only one choice. That choice is to leave Him and learn damnation. We do not have two choices. We do not learn or earn salvation. Learning it is earning it plain and simple. We are born with it and can only choose to give it away by turning from our true Father to follow the fake.

The Law is Father and both are eternal. The Law is His charater. I am not speaking of OT "god" law. I agree, it is a bag of crap that needs flung off the side of the earth. Know why? It is not of Father, but is of evilness. The evilness that lives in human hearts and is worshipped. Only evil and ego wants worship. All true Law (Father) wants is love and charity. That is all He has ever asked for. It is in our hearts from the beginning. That is salvation, that is life, and that is the Charater and Law of Father.

Grace is saying we do not need to love and give to others and it is ok. It is not ok. Without love and charity, grace does not exist and will not save us.

Now back to my question to you. Why does Paul base his "religion and theology" on the blood sacrifice of "Jesus"????? HIS blood is to wash away OUR evilness? We know murder and sacrifice is not of the true Father, so why does Paul slop in the bloody mess so often and tell us it is our ticket to salvation? It is a real question that needs a real answer.

Danny, you have come so far in this life. It is time to take the final step. You have salvation in your heart. It is not learned or earned. It is felt and discovered. Stop looking at Paul or any man for salvation. They and their words will not save you, neither will grace alone. The real Law of Father placed in our hearts will save us. Men and words lead to death. Love and charity lead to life. We do not need a road map to find our way home. The path was written in our hearts before we breathed our first breath on this "god" ruled earth. We fell for the sly words of "god" once. Do we need to again? Think about it.

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned


Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ye do err, greatly. So "go ye and learn what that (Hosea 6:6) meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice": Matthew 9:13. When going to Hebrews 10, written by Paul, it meaneth I will have grace, and not law; For sacrifice is of the law, which is neither perfect nor merciful, but imperfect and merciless.

God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace.
Allegory: God is not author of law, but of grace.

True God: Grace, does not see evil. That God saw only good x6, very good 7th time, in Genesis 1. That God is all light(grace) and no darkness(law) at all: 1John 1:5. To wit, that God (the God of all grace) was in Christ (the end of the law) reconciling the world unto himself: 2Corinthians 5:19. Go see.

Only Law is both good and evil, ends badly. So learn to discern (avoid) both good and evil: Hebrews 5.

Law is not eternal. Law priests were not suffered to continue by reason of death(law): Hebrews 7:23; And those who trusted in law both died and received not the promise: Hebrews 11:13,39. Because, as Paul notes in Hebrews 10:36, do the will of God precedes receive the promise: eternal life. As we have established, the will of God is I will have grace, and not law. It is evident (from the evidence) that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God: Galatians 3:11; For the law is not of faith: Galatians 3:12, and whatsoever is not of faith is sin: Romans 14:23.

As for Paul, he notes his first stage of conversion, from one law to another law, made him feel "wretched", due to evil "concupiscence" of law. So he went on to flush all law as dung to gain Christ is the end of the law: Romans 10:4...Philippians 3:7. Thereafter Paul did not frustrate(law, vex) the grace of God, by thinking righteousness is of the law: Galatians 2:21. For as Solomon says of law: it's all vanity and vexation(frustration) of spirit(grace) x7: Ecclesiastes.

Felix, ye need to learn the difference between driven and led. Paul notes ye/we (Jews/Gentiles) are not under the law, but under grace, "if led of the Spirit": Romans 6:14,15 x2 ... Galatians 5:18. Example:

Law Driven: walk before me, be perfect, or else.
Grace Led: follow me, be perfect, also merciful.

Take a look at purpose 'driven' churches. Note how imperfect they are, because they're legalistic. They base their salvation on sacrifice, which is of the law, which is neither perfect nor merciful, but imperfect and merciless: Hebrews 10.

So, Felix, ye do err by jumping on a band wagon of sounding brass and tinkling cymbol, which amounts to "nothing" in 1Corinthians 13 (also James 1), as noted by Paul "The Apostle": "his witness unto all men": "his angel" who plays the "last trump" (grace) in every epistle, including Hebrews and Revelation:

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

Danny, Danny!
Again, I do not speak of OT priest "law". That law is man made, pardon the word...bullshit:). The Law I speak of is love and charity. Do you think this is dung? It is the Law we all must live in. We do not learn or earn it, it lives within us. We are nothing without it and will be nothing without it.

Grace does not save us without love and charity. If the real Law I speak of is love and charity, how did it have a beginning to have an end? If nothing can exist without it, it has always existed.

Time to let go Danny. Step into the new reality not spoken with words or written in books. It is the reality created within us and placed there by our true Father.

Again, I do not believe in the "law" of the bye-bull OT. I do not speak of it either. I caution to listen to anyone, including Paul, who speaks of it. I know it is hard to accept, but never the less true.

Scream, cry or whatever. When you get past the hurt, you will shine like a star in heaven. Then we will know salvation, then we will know the true Father.


Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

Felix, Felix,
(dblemindead pun intended)

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is preposterous order to teach first, learn after.

It is not love and charity, but love or charity:

For love (law) fails as often as people get divorced, but charity (grace) "never faileth" because charity "thinketh no evil" (law): 1Corinthians 13. Love is law based: Matthew 22:36-40; and the second love (law) is like the first love (law). Charity is pure grace: pure religion: first pure wisdom: 1Cor 8:1...James 1-3. Love is partial. Charity is impartial. Love puffs up. Charity edifies up.

Ye need to LEARN the difference, since the love (law) you speak of is as deadly as OT LAW. In Revelation 13 it's LAW<--Law; For the LAW saith to the Law: sit at my right till I make thy enemies thy footstool, because vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the LAW. In comparison and contrast, charity (grace) has no enemies; For above a servant (slave) is called friend, brother, son. Which things are an allegory: Galatians 4, and a mystery to solve in time: noted 20 times in NT. The way to solve the mystery is "seek and ye shall find", "find grace" to obtain mercy and get help in time: Hebrews 4:16.

I am well aware of the law you speak of, and the Father you speak of. Such law is written in plural hearts, and such law vs law is divided against itself. So in Hebrews 13 we LEARN it is a good (God) thing that the heart be established with grace, not with meats (laws) which profited not them occupied therein. For in Hebrews 7:23 these were not suffered to continue by reason of death, and in Hebrews 11 these all died and received not the promise, because in Hebrews 10 doing the will of God precedes receive the promise: eternal life, and the will of God is: I will have mercy(grace), and not sacrifice(law), with the not part being not then, not now, not ever.

The law (love) you speak of is like love (law) of country. Go ask a PTSD soldier how he/she feels after coming home from a war based on such love (law) of country. In a word: "wretched": Romans 7. Paul tried this law you speak of, and it made him so "wretched" he said: who will save me from this body of death(law). So Paul finally flushed all law written in stone and ink as dung to gain Christ: Philippians 3. Christ is the end of the law: Romans 10:4; not the mend of law: Luke 5:36,37.

So Felix, your 'new reality' is as old as the serpent, which is notably more subtle than any beast of the field. In parable allegory "the field is the world", and the beast is the law sowed by vengeful Son of man, and such law was given by Moses. But the law (of plural and contrary commandments) given by Moses in John 1:17 is not the law at Mt Sinai; Rather it's the law in Genesis 2:17 of 2:16 -vs- 17. This is "the law" Christ abolished in Ephesians 2:15, which is also called "the enmity". For all other laws: 10 at Mt Sinai, and 613 in Torah, were "added", and notably "because of the transgression": Galatians 3:19. But "where no law, there is no transgression": Romans 4:15. And "the woman, being deceived(lawed), was in the transgresssion": 1Timothy 2:14. Hence the woman, being deceived(lawed), was in the law. Connect your biblical dots, Felix, to get the whole picture. Selah.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned

You said the law was written on stone and with ink. You are right, but it was never the Law of Father. It was the law of evil and wickness. When I say "Law", you go into bashing the "OT wicked law". To speak of the OT evil wicked law as the "Law of Father" is living in the state of delusion. The state of delusion was set up when this universe fell from grace. When I speak of grace, I speak of it in terms not set forth in delusion.

Again you are right when you say charity thinketh no evil. Do you know why? Father's charater is charity and Father does not "know" or thinketh evil. Some would say Father is limited if He does not know evil. I say He is unlimited because He knows it not. If we know and think of evil, then we are limited.

If we say love puffs up, then we do not know real love. Real love does not puff up, but puts us in a place of humility towards others. Yeshua did not come to be served, but came to love and as such served others. There can be know real charity without love, just as Father would not exist without love. You are mistaken in your statement. If we learn what real love is, charity will follow. And as charity follows we begin to take on the charater of our Father. That is salvation.

Danny, you are not aware of the Law I speak of. It is impossible. If you knew the Law I speak of, you would not write what you write. You have never read the Law I speak of in your entire life and neither have I. It is not written or spoken of anywhere in this universe. It resides in eternity outside of time. It is only know to us when we search it out in our hearts and see the true charater of our Father.

What is truth? We have only one way of knowing what truth is. It is not by reading, not by study, not by the bible, and not by our own doing. We only know truth when we base all things on the charater of our Father.

Please answer this question for me....Please, it is very important. How do you know and what do you base your belief on that the true Father did not command or want blood animal sacrifices? I know He did not and you know He did not, but HOW do you know?

Danny, if we continue know evil we are limited. Imagine what we could do if we are unleashed from knowing evil and are unlimited? Then you will see true grace, charity and love. This world only sees and thinks of the delusion of grace, charity and love. To kill someone in war is not love of anyone or anything. It is evil and wickness masked as "love".

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned


Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not confusion),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The law is good, but law's "both good and evil".
So "discern (avoid) both good and evil": Heb 5.
Hebrews 5 notes (to babes) use all your senses:
- if it looks kind fishy, and
- if it sounds like Horeb-bull, and
- if it smells kinda pew-y, and
- if it tastes sweet and bitter, and
- if it feels like hell when swallowed, then
it becomes evident it's law: both good and evil.

When connecting biblical dots, law is also evil.
Matthew 6:13 Our Father... DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

And when connecting biblical dots, law = sin:
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is NOT OF FAITH is sin.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is NOT OF FAITH

So, to be rid of evil, and sin, flush law as dung.
For the law is "both good and evil" (ends badly).
Grace is good only, not both good and evil.
Grace and Law are contrary things,
as contrary as Life and Death.

Felix, ye(do err) oppose yourself.
Law = Limited. Grace = Unlimited.

You're still mixing charity and love,
when the matter is charity or love,
which is allegorically grace or law,
which is notably as if life or death.

Felix, only what began can end.
Law began, as "the beginning of sorrows".
Law beginning involves fear, of the LORD (LAW).
Fear hath torment. So flush law to be free of fear.
For perfect love(God): pure grace(God), hath no fear.
Eternal Grace(God) has neither a beginning nor an end.

Consider John 1:17's comparison of law vs grace:
"The law (and lie) was given by Moses,
[but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ"

The law, given by Moses, was not given at Mt Sinai.
The law, given by Moses, is located in Genesis 2:17.
This is "the law" Christ abolished in Ephesians 2:15.
All other laws:10 in stone, 613 in ink, were "added",
and added because of transgression (law): Gal 3:19.
For where no law, no transgression: Romans 4:15.
The woman was in the transgression: 1Timothy 2:14.
So the woman, being deceived, was in the law.

So Christ abolished one lousy tree law,
(called "the law", "of commandments")
which effectively abolished all law,
since all other law was added,
to make it obvious law sucks.

Learn the difference between Driven or Led:
Not under law, if "led of the Spirit": Gal 5:18.
Driven: walk before me, be perfect, or else: Law
Led: follow me, be perfect, therefore merciful: Grace.

Learn the difference between puffed up or edified up.
Law: puffeth up, but
Grace: edifieth up... 1Corinthians 8:1
Puffed up has a humpty dumpty fall: Galatians 5:4
Pst: when you see "but", a comparison is being made.

Felix, awareness is what Godshew is all about.
GodShew is not about having a childish sides war;
whether it's right of law vs law or of law vs grace.
For all sides wars have side effects to both sides.

So, learn to play your part of their part vs your part, to make him on the contrary part ashamed without condemning(lawing) yourself in the process.

For law is "inexcusable": Romans 2:1,
and it condemns the person using it on others.

Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: Job 15:6.

Felix, I gave up believe-ing for know-ing long ago.
Know the truth makes you free of (erroneous) beliefs.
I don't base beliefs on anything. I have no beliefs;
And I base my knowing on evidence which makes evident.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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How can we "know" anything because of evidence? I assume the bible and Paul is your evidence? The bible is not allegories, it is pure BS. The only small parts of truth in the bible were put there to let us know it is all lies. If we base "knowing" off of evidence in the bible, real or allegory, then we are totally lost in the dark.

The bible is nothing more than the wickness and evil of human hearts. They wrote it from their charater. That is why their "god" commands killing men, women and children for land. Slaughtering innocent animals thinking innocent bloodshed will forgive their wickness and evil deeds. It's feast days come straight from the Cannanites. The creation and flood stories copied from others and changed to suit them also.

Paul is the biggest fool of them all. His theology is dripping with the same murderous blood as the OT preists. Yes, yes. The murdered blood of an innocent man (real or allegory!!!!!) will forgive our wickness! It is the same old BS myth passed down from thousands of years before. He was nothing new, just the same ol' wrapped up in a different trash bag.

I do not oppose myself because I base truth on one idea and one idea only. Does it match the charater of my Father. If it does not, it is not truth. We do not need evidence. Evidence exists in time. Time will kill us all if we do not see truth and pass into eternity.

I tried to show you long ago that evidence against evidence leads to nothingness. You could not percieve this. Truth exists in only one place. It is not in words and evidence. Knowing comes from the same place and in the same way. It is not from the futile words of Paul or whoever wrote that stuff. Knowing comes from the charater of Father, period.

The world thinks they can read books and "know". All they "know" is the wickness of the heart of mankind. The hearts that do not KNOW the charater of Father.

This entire website is page after page, by the hundreds, of things that are "known" from a book of words. The words are dead Danny. The charater of the Father is alive.

Danny. You did not answer the only question I asked. How do you KNOW Father did not command or want animal sacrifices and killing of men, women and children?

The Gen 2:17 "story" is the real Law in a nutshell. To know evil is death! Evil will not exist in eternity, not even the thought of it. If we know what evil is, how will we be there? My next question to you. How do we forget and not know evil? Paul did not know and neither do the dead words of the bible.

Last question for you. The bible says Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden because they now knew good and evil like "god" and became like Him. Why would the real Father kicked them out for becoming like Him? And why would the real Father say this when He does not know evil? Like I said, all BS. Why base what you "know" on lies and BS?

Now back to my first paragraph. The bible is a test. Pass it and we live in peace for eternity, fail it and we rest in peace in eternity.
Peace and understanding to you,

Re: Salvation Can't Be Legislated Nor Earned; But Learned


Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

when the God shew is ended properly, as written,
then it (law: sin and death) never really happened,
nor ever will happen, lest we all perish thereby.
(for law also imputes unpardonable sin and death)

Scriptures were written aforetime for our learning.
(Plural) Scriptures are both plural and contrary.
The script-u-are is singular and not contrary.

Pst: All is neither many nor few.
More excellent is neither broad nor narrow mindead.

It's all allegory in both covenants: Gal 4.
The allegory-ic script-u-are saith:
Cast out the bondwoman and her son.
Allegory: cast out law and result of law: sin & death.

So the objective = replace beliefs with know,
Or we could say replace lies(laws) with truth(grace).
The truth(grace) makes you free of believe lies(laws).

Only what began can end. The Law(Lie) began; And
thereby fear(torment) & sorrows(grief) also began.
Eternal Grace has neither a beginning nor any end.
So let law be dead testator, so grace is of force.
For a testiment isn't of force until testator dead.
Eternal life not of force till law made dead testator.

Obviously eternal God(Grace) has no begin nor end;
So In the beginning God is an as if scenario.

But if you are here, then you also got duped by it;
And you're also grounded along with everyone else
(for there is no respect of persons with God),
until we all are one get to the end(of law) written,
which notably has no mention of law(sacrifice) at all.

The final test is holiness with sobriety:
Pure grace without another drink of deadly law.
So, it takes a little time to pass such a test.
From what you've written, you haven't passed it.

The "you all" in the end begins with "you",
is to say your contains both you and our.
Get beam(law) out (you)r eye affects all within you.

Felix, perhaps you are making the shew l-o-n-g-e-r.
The shew goes on until you get it: understanding,
to point of understanding void of misunderstanding.
For misunderstanding causes schism in the body,
much like a little cancer us law causes death to all.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all.