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Real Free Grace by Jesus, VS. Legalistic Works Grace by Paul

Brother Daniel,
Most Christian churches and Paul say that salvation (eternal life) is given to us by faith and grace alone. I disagree 100%. It is by grace alone. They teach it is by our own works we receive salvation. I believe it is by commandment keeping and following His words the best that we can. I believe we receive salvation by grace alone.

This seems to be totally insane and contradictory on the surface? But things are not always as they seem. They teach a man is lost without salvation until he prays to Jesus and asks Him into their heart and life as lord and savior. The man prays and asks Jesus to do this, and if the man really believes and means it, he is saved and it is an eternal security that can not be taken away. What if I said this is a direct 180 degree contradiction from the truth? You might say what? How? Let’s see how.

The reality is that the man has to perform an action, deed, or “work” for his salvation. If he does not do this “work” (pray, ask, etc..), he will not get salvation and will be lost and go to hell when he dies. This my friend is called salvation by works. We have to do a certain task, deed, or “work” to gain salvation. You can not split hairs here, they teach salvation by works. I say salvation is by grace alone. You say what again! How can that be? You say you must keep His commandments and words the best you can. How can this be? You must be pulling my leg, right? Nope. Paul and "his" Christians are liars and deceivers of the worst kind. The following will show how we receive salvation totally free, totally by grace, and we can not possibly do anything to get it. Think about how that might be and how Paul and "his" Christians teach legalism and heresy.

Father said we are known from before the foundation of the world, through his foreknowledge. Before the earth was made, before the very foundation of creation existed, we were granted salvation by Father out of His pure Grace and mercy. We did not exist yet, so we could have done nothing to get or earn it. This is salvation by grace alone. But what about the works of keeping commandments and following His words, they might ask! Well, they would say we are born with two choices. We either choose Father or choose Satan. Again they are sadly mistaken! We only have one choice. We are born with Father and with salvation. The only choice is to turn from Father throughout our lives and reject His commandments and teachings. There is only choice in life and we have our entire life to choose to do it. Remember the words of Jesus, “Endure until the end and you save be saved”! If we endure until the end, He will raise us up on the last day to eternal life (salvation). Does enduring until the end constitute eternal security? No it does not. Salvation is given to us freely before we exist. We must stay with Father and keep it or choose Satan (or Paul) and loose it. They would say give me proof you can loose salvation. I would say that Jesus says endure until the end. I would say Father said in Ex. 32:30-35 He will blot your name out of the book of life (salvation). I would say Jesus also said it by His mouth in revelation.

The murders, adulterers, thieves and so forth will be blotted out of the book of life. He says that certain people have their names written in the book of life, but does not state when. So we look for a second and third witness. Father and Jesus states that certain people have their names blotted out of the book of life. This means salvation can be lost because their names were written in before hand. If a name appears, you have life. If the name is blotted out, you have lost your salvation at death and will be raised to damnation. So the truth is we receive salvation by grace totally free before we exist. We either love Jesus or love Paul and his satanic teachings. How do we love Jesus and keep our free gift to be cashed in on the last day? “If you love me, keep my commandments”. Paul and "his" Christians teach the exact opposite. Our salvation is by blood atonement performed by Jesus and we must do a “work” to receive it. After we receive it, we can not lose it. Why does Satan deceive people into believing and teaching this? To destroy as many people as he can! Many will and I have seen, they think they cannot sin anymore because all things are lawful as Paul said. They do not try to follow His commandments and words. They willfully continue to sin without trying to stop the best they can. They do not repent as Jesus commanded, and at the last day they will die without salvation. They choose to turn from Father and loose it. That is what cheap grace is. True grace is free and you will follow Jesus the best you can to say thank you for the greatest gift of all time. Paul and "his" Christians turn it into cheap grace obtained by our own works.
Sleep tight Brother Daniel.

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Any comments or thought on this brother Daniel? Were did Chris go?

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Dear (bewitched) AC Paul,

Grace & Peace unto YOU from God & Son Unlimited.

It's preposterous order to teach 1st, learn after.

Thine own mouth condemneth thee,
and not I: Job 15:6; Mt 15:11;
Mk 7:20-22; John 3:17; Jn 5:45;
Rom 2:1; Gal 1:8,9; Jam 3:6,10.

Ye do err, by contradicting yerself.
Contrary things can't co-exist in peace.
So then ye are never at peace(rest). Selah.

Ye keep popping up again, like Jack in the Box,
on JVI (Jack of Impe family) presents Luke 21:8.

Yer Noahaic grace + law isn't JC's grace + truth.
God sent us grace + truth to comare to grace + lie.

Yer Father (Abraham) isn't "our Father" (Merciful).
Re-read the Rich Man parable: no mercy at all there.
Re-read Hebrews 4:16: only mercy obtain-able there.
Re-read Moses' Flood Story: "God" is not "the LORD".

Are ye still dull of hearing? still blind?
I've told you e-life is "through Jesus-->Christ".
Pst: "through" him means in one side, out the other.
In Jesus: made under law; Out Christ: the end of law.
Jesus isn't the Saviour of the world, only of Israel.
Christ is Saviour of the world: John 4:42, 1Jn 4:14.
Reconcile world to God is done "in Christ": 2Cor5:19.
For reconciled to Jesus is reconciled to death: Rom5;
Not to mention Jesus is about division and not peace,
but Christ is about peace and not dividead. Selah.

Yer still arguing about two things: great vs greater,
when it's about three things: great/greater/greatest,
and only the greatest of things never fails. Selah.

But if ye wanna be ignorant, ye may.
Or worse yet: willingly ignorant,
is how 1st world perished: 2Pet3.

If perish is what ye want, have it:
2Cor11:15 ... 1Thes 5:3 ... Heb 7:23

The law is not of faith: Galatians 3:11,12.
So begin faith-->hope-->charity never fails
with grace, lest yer hope become hopeless,
and yer love fail as oft as divorces occur.

I've told you: it's not about "believe",
("believe not": Mt 24:23,26; 1Jn 4:1)
Rather it's about "know": John 8:32,
and know contains the word "now".
So I don't care what ye 'believe'.
I gave up all beliefs for "know".

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Very correct Mr. Miles. I KNOW you are wrong. You know you are wrong. I did not see one thing to prove what was written wrong. The word of Father and Jesus prove you wrong, Paul wrong, and most christian churches wrong. They teach salvation by a work and accuse me of being a legalist when I prove it is free and of grace before we were born and it is not eternally secure and that we can and well be blotted out if we do not following the teachings and commandments of Jesus. You have been shown and you have willfully denied Jesus and the salvation He gave you to make claim of on the last day. You do not have an excuse Mr. Miles. You have denied Jesus many times in this forum and said He was just a story and not real. You try to teach others the same death sentence. I will have none of it Mr. Miles. Run to your destruction, I will choose to try my best to follow what Jesus has commanded us to follow. There is no other way to life Daniel. Narrow is the gate to life and broad is the gate to destruction. I do not fell pity for you, for you know and deny the power of Jesus and Father in heaven. I can tell by your response you know you are wrong. I see what is in you Daniel. It is blessed to know if you refuse to accept Jesus and Father's Law, they will have mercy and put you to sleep on the last day. I am so thankful for the mercy and rightful justice they have. Even though you spit in the face of Jesus and Father, they will find mercy for you and let you be on the last day as if you never existed. Praise be to Father in Heaven.
That is grace and mercy Mr. Miles. To do good to the enemy that denies your name and existence for the son of satan. BTW, I am still waiting on your replies to all the Paul items I brought up so, so, so many months ago. Has not your father given you answers yet? Even though I feel no pity for you anymore, I still love you enough to hope oneday you will turn back to Father in Heaven. It is nothing for a man to love his brother, but takes much for a man to love his enemy (in the things of Father per se).
Good day Mr. Miles.

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Dear (highmindead) AC Paul,

Grace & Peace unto YOU from God & Son Unlimited.

Perish the thought of all law: sin and death,
instead of perish by the law: sin's death sting.
(Mt12:29; 1Cor15:56; 2Cor 3:7; 10:5; James 1:15)

What saith the script-u-are "allegory"?
"Cast out the bondwoman and her son": Gal 4.
Cast out law and result of law: sin & death.

What to do, to receive the promise? Hebrews 10:36:
Do the will of God precedes receiving the promise.
The will of God? I will have mercy, not sacrifice.
(Ps 40:6;51:16; Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13; 12:7; Heb 10:all)
What does it mean? I will have grace, and not law.

What happened to them who didn't do the will of God?
Hebrews 7:23
These were not allowed to continue by reason of death.
Hebrews 11:39
these all died and received not the promise.

Father + Mother = Son
Grace + Mercy = Peace
Wrong Father = Bastard
Wrong Mother = Son of a B*tch(Baby-lon)
Wrong Son = Son of Man (God is not a man)

With all thy getting, get it: understanding,
if ye wanna make it to the end alive unto God.

Try removing the vail(2Cor 3:13,14,15,16)
to see the end of that which is abolished,
which is obviously "the end of the law":

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Dear Sir,
Tell me what is highminded about following the words and teaching of Jesus? You still have not answered the items given to you about Paul and "his" salvation. When will you stop the babble and answer them? Where is the light in you? I grow tired of your darkness. Could it be you are nothing but an empty fraud? Come up with something new. What you say is just the same old lie from the beginning with a nice new bow on it. Try opening the package and seeing the pile of horse dung inside the box. It stinks and is infested with flies. Sorry Daniel, I don't feel like sugar coating it right now! Answer the post on salvation with plain words. Please, I would love to hear it. Come on Daniel, say something interresting for once. Say something mind provoking that makes people think. Tell me how Pauls salvation is not gained by a "work". Tell us plainly. Tell us plainly.
Good night.

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Dear (Double minded) AC Paul,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

People recovering from law law highs speak of a "higher" power after, of before/after scenarios.

Christ: risen & sitteth above: "higher" than heavens
Jesus: risen & standing right on high in L/R heavens

Christ: Saviour of the world by abolition of law
Jesus: Saviour to Israel(of Jacob-->Israel) by law

Christ: peace and not divided: grace
Jesus: division and not peace: law vs law

In Christ: shall all be made alive ... grace
In Jesus(last Adam): as in Adam all die ... law

Son of God (that God): higher heaven... grace
Son of God (this God): heavens on high.. law vs law

Pst: law vs law is divided against itself

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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I'm still waiting. Tell me how Pauls salvation is not by a "work" to gain it. Tell me how it's free from Paul's teachings. Again, tell me how you have to do certain things to get salvation and that is not doing a "work" for it. Please tell me Danny. I have a burning urge to know. Tell me again how Jesus is just a story and not a literal person. Then go bless people with grace in the name of Jesus Christ. Do you ever really stop and listen to yourself? Come on! It is just a little to odd and stange for me. Yes, I am always full of surprises just like the Jack-in-the-box. But what does that have to do with that reject Jack Vam Impe and his alien faced wife?

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Grace & Peace to U from God & Son Unlimited.

Impatient? Try doing the end run along with patience, as noted in Hebrews 12, which speaks of losing weight, the law which so easily besets (you), in order to make it to the end written alive unto God.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Why do you say the GRACE of our lord Jesus Christ when you do not believe in Him. Is that not quite silly? Why not replace the words lord Jesus Christ with lord Paul? Would that not be more truthful of what you think? Please correct me if I am wrong. I find it quite a bit deceitful myself. It is taking the name of the Lord in vein, but then again you do dot believe in any law or commandments and think you should not be sorry for anything. That is quite the sad bucket of sorrow you are in. Please do not say "our" lord to me again. It makes me quite ill to tell the truth. Not to be rude, just trying to save my dinner. My Father is NOT your Father. I believe I have made that clear.
Have a good day Sir.

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God(Grace) neither tempts(laws)
nor can be tempted(lawed): James

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Ok. I see you have learned not to put people down and mock them. I will leave you alone now. I wish you would have at least tried to answer the questions.

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Heard this one from you before, after which
you popped up, again, like Jack the Impe does,
now Jack in the Box even in midst of the night.

I wonder what, or who, keeps winding him up?

Please keep your promise this time.

The GRACE of our Lord JC with you all. Amen.