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Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Chris,
Peter or Paul to the Gentiles?

Mat 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 15:22
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
Mat 15:27
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

It would seem Peter and the other 11 were to preach only to the house of Israel. But things are not always what they seem as I have learned. Jesus came for His lost sheep while walking on this earth, so His followers would do the same. But what about after the house of Israel rejected Jesus and had Him killed? Did He have another plan for Peter that He knew from the beginning?


Act 10:9
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
Act 10:10
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:11
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15
And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
Act 10:16
This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Was this vision really about Jesus making all foods clean? Would Peter not have know this by now if this is what Jesus taught? We see Peter still had not eaten anything unclean. Peter goes on to explain later exactly what the vision had meant.

Act 11:1
And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2
And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3
Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4
But Peter rehearsed [the matter] from the beginning, and expounded [it] by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5
I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6
Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7
And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8
But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9
But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
Act 11:10
And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11
And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12
And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

We can see that the vision had nothing to do with food, but everything to do with the Gentiles. What was once “unclean” could now be cleansed. The vision was to tell Peter that He was now to go out to the Gentiles and preach the gospel. No more did Father in Heaven have a chosen people. His chosen people would now be of spirit and not of race. Jew or Gentile could now be part of the true house of Israel. Peter confirms being the one chosen by Father in the follow verses.

Act 10:44
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We see Peter preached and the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles. Now listen to Peter as a dispute broke out over the issue. I think the words of Peter are loud and clear.

Act 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:

Notice that Paul was there and heard Peter’s words. Paul then spoke of “miracles and wonders”. Why does then James say, hey people, listen to me now? Does it kind of seem odd to stop the story right there and not write whatever James thought was that important to say? Now lets look at the words of Paul, knowing that Peter was chosen to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
Gal 2:8
(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10
Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Did Father change His mind? Did He make a mistake choosing Peter to preach to the Gentiles? Did Peter really disobey the will of Jesus and hand over the Gentiles to Paul? It seems that Paul says the others are only “seemed” pillars. I guess this is why Paul said he withstood Peter, blamed him and later on calls him a hypocrite. This is a paradox I can find no answer for except one. Either Peter, Jesus, and Father in Heaven made a mistake or Paul was sadly mistaken about his authority and apostleship. I tried to give Paul the benefit of the doubt for nearly 20 years. It became clear to me that there was more than meets the eye going on here.

Chris,
If this was the only problem, I could look past it. But Paul has many more worse problems. Would you like to know more? It is up to you. What do you think about this?
Thank you very much for your time.

Danny,
If you believed in Father in Heaven, you would believe this...Paul is not your friend. Don't wait too long Danny. Your salvation is now. Do not wait for the summer to pass.