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Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear Chris,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord JC.

Indeed, let us challenge the accusations of AC; But not for his condemnation, rather for his awareness and understanding. I would not be right to make AC or you wrong, but rather to make all right. For to be right to make another wrong makes us all wrong. As Romans 2 says, such law judging of others is both "inexcusable" and self-condemning with consequences: wrath & indignation, tribulation & anguish. So let us not be divided, but united. We all are one. The question is: one what? The answer is: one body of "Christ"(the end of the law), who is head of the body, whose head is God(Grace).

AC Paul (alias Tim, etc) is hung up on the gospel enigma, as are many lately. It doesn't make him bad, just deceived, thereby one who opposes himself. According to Paul's epsitle to Timothy, such is recoverable, by a study to shew thyself approved unto God (not both approved + disapproved). Such "shew" (plural of show) first invovles looking at both approved(graced) and disapproved(lawed), and realizing such things are contrary, and contrary things cannot co-exist in peace. So to have peace, rest, one of twain must be abolished. So the end of a study to shew thyself approved(only) unto God, has only one thing: approved, not both.

Pauline epistles do not contradict the four gospel accounts, but enhance our "understanding" of such. Solomon: "with all thy getting, get understanding". So let us understand Jesus took grace + law(added) and made it division: grace vs law: "either make the tree good(grace) or corrupt(law)". Then Christ took grace vs law, and abolished the law thereof, to be our peace(rest), and not divided. For grace vs law is "division", and not peace; As is told us in Matthew 10:34; Luke 12:51; John 7:43. For even God cannot be one by division, but is one by unity of the Spirit, the Spirit of Grace, and truth thereof about the law, that it's the ministration of condemnation and the ministration of death. God did not send his Son to bring us condemnation or death, but rather righteousness(grace) and eternal life, which is notably "through Jesus-->Christ", "in Christ". So reconciling the world to God is done "in Christ": 2Corinthians 5:19; not in Jesus; And it's notably done by not law imputing sin to them. Selah. For law imputed sin also imputes unpardonable sin and thereby accurses all, both in this world and the to come. So by Jesus it's cursed EVERYONE: Galatians 3; But by Christ it's blessed EVERYONE: the be-attitudes.

So indeed, let us look at all the evidence to see what's "evident" thereby: "that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God" (not even Jesus): Galatians 3:12; And let us reason together, that salvation is only plausible by abolition of law, all law written in stone and ink is to be "done away", and is done away in Christ: is the end of the law.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Mr. Miles,

I will no longer debate you if you refuse to the one thing that I ask you to do and that was, not remove scripture from the whole. Yes, John 7:43 says 43Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. BUT it also says in
John 7:37On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him." 39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
40On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."
41Others said, "He is the Christ."
Still others asked, "How can the Christ come from Galilee? 42Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David's family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?" 43Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. 44Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.
So that Quote that you are using isn’t talking about Jesus as being the division its talking about how some people believed and some didn't so clearly there’s two side and if there is two sides then there is a dividing line. It’s not Jesus but Satan; you literally put Jesus in the place of Satan.
Luke 12 and Matthew 10 in true reference are talking of the division between families members because of not all will follow. If you were a born again Christian, but got saved, ten years after being married and you had 5 kids, now when you get saved only two of them come to know the Lord and accept Him as Lord and Savior, and your wife and 3 other kids did not, now you know that this means that they will face eternity in hell, would this not cause division??? I THINK SO. JESUS CAME TO DO HIS FATHER'S WILL! Sometimes the truth is painful and divides.
Lastly you say "And let us reason together, that salvation is only plausible by abolition of law, all law written in stone and ink is to be "done away", and is done away in Christ: is the end of the law."
Where in scripture do you find this...JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER, in him and only him we have salvation, We have salvation because one who had no sin took on the sin of the world as a blameless sacrifice. If you don’t know the speed limit then how do you keep from breaking the law? I work on School Street what is the speed limit I’m curious as to what you might say?
John 14:1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 in My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 and if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
The Father Revealed
7 “If you had known me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear Chris,

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your scrutiny, which I don't consider mutiny. I'm not trying to be divisional (debate), but rather trying to make you aware what "Jesus" did and why; Also the difference between division(unrest) and peace(rest), is as the difference between Jesus and Christ, of "THROUGH Jesus-->Christ";

The word "through" being an operative word in John 3:17 and many other verses. Through means in one side & out the other side, as if in Jesus and out Christ, of "through Jesus-->Christ"; As if going through a door, way, from death(law) to life(grace).

For Jesus plays two parts, and also talks of two resurrections (especially in John, the only gospel account that's "verily verily"); But Christ plays one part, and talks of one resurrection of all at the last day. Christ "sitteth" right higher than plural divided heavens on high, where Jesus is "standing" right, which is not in accordance with: The LORD said unto my Lord: "sit": Ps 110:1 (Mk 12:36). So Colossians 3: 1-3 says if risen with "Christ", then set your affection above(higher), where Christ "sitteth"(not standeth).

All I'm saying is pay attention to the details of the mystery to solve the mystery; For as Paul notes in Hebrews 2, escape is via "give more earnest heed".

Jesus flat out says, in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division". God is not the author of confusion, but of "peace": 1Corinthians 14;33. Peace with God is "through Jesus --> Christ": Romans 5:1. Reconciling the world is done "in Christ": 2Corinthians 5:19. For Jesus is the "last Adam", and "as in Adam all die" (not live), but in Christ shall all be made alive (not dead): 1Corinthians 15.

So, let us look at what Jesus did. He took Mosaic grace + law(added) and made it grace or law: division; Since they are contrary things, as contrary as life or death. That was good, but in doing so he also cursed everyone, by the curse of the law, by showing how a breach of any law is as a breach of all the law, and the penalty is death. For in calling some ppl sinners, he had to invoke the law to do so (only law imputes sin), and invoking the law also condemned him, since law is "inexcusable": Romans 2. So you can't just accuse others and excuse yourself, not even if you're Jesus. No man is justified by the law in the sight of God, not even Jesus: Galatians 3.

So "Jesus" did a good thing, but it cost him his life; And "if one died for all then were all dead", since we all are one. In contast & comparison, "Christ" of "Jesus-->Christ" died to the law, not by the law; Which is as becoming alive unto God, which is "through Jesus-->Christ": Romans 6:11.

Christ "finished" the will of God (I will have grace, and not law) before the cross (John 17), not at the cross (John 19); Since do the will of God precedes receive the promise: Hebrews 10:36. So of two things risen, Jesus(risen to on high) & Christ(risen higher) we are to be risen with "Christ": is the end of the law. Christ let law be nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14), and went on through the cross to risen and seated right of God in heaven: higher than the heavens; Seated denoting the law vs grace matter is forever "settled" in Christ, who abolished the law of law vs grace to be our peace: Ephesians 2:14.

So, after we divide assunder soul/spirit (Heb 4:12), by dividing assunder first Adam/last Adam (1Cor 15); We still have the matter of "comparing spiritual things with spiritual" to do, which is mentioned in 1Corinthians 2:13 and 1John 4:1. For "as in Adam all die", which is extinction, not salvation. As in "Adam" speaks of both first "Adam" and last "Adam". All die speaks of all dead, not all alive. So we have a "mystery" to solve, as Paul oft notes; And it's the mystery "of Christ" (not of Jesus): Colossians 2:2. Details are important, when solving an allegoric mystery.

It is not me, but you who puts Jesus in Satan's place, "standing" where he ought not, in the holy place. I would put Jesus also risen with Christ to higher heaven, and notably because "Christ is the end of the law", our "peace", and not divided; But "above" divisions of law vs law or law vs grace. By abolition of law, Christ ended all the law vs law and the law vs grace divisions. Thereby "Christ" is our peace(rest), and not divided.

That is all I'm saying. I'm not trying to condemn you or your precious Jesus, but to exhort both you and Jesus to look "higher" than plural divided heavens on high; Higher(above) where it's not left/right: divisional, but rather it's all right: united.

All I'm saying is the law vs grace of Jesus is still division(unrest), and not peace(rest); And God is the author of peace(rest), not of confusion(division). Only pure grace is peaceable, and not divided. Christ is our peace who abolished the law. Peace with God is "through Jesus-->Christ", which end focuses on Christ: is the end of the law. Selah.

Jesus: was made under the law, and of woman
Christ: is the end of the law, and of transgression
Ye are not under law(Jesus), but under grace(Christ)

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Mr. Miles

I just want you to answer as plainly as possible,

Do you think that when in the Bible, the call God
I Am, Shepherd, Redeemer, Rock, Judge, Light, Creator, Lord, God, First and last, Alpha and Omega, Word, that these are all different gods or do you think that it is the One True God.

And when you hear Jesus referred to as Son of God, Lord, Messiah, Lamb of God, Ruler of Creation, Mediator, Bread of Life, OR CHRIST WHICH IS NOT HIS LAST NAME IT IS WHAT THEY CALLED THE MESSIAH (THE CHRIST)...Why do you not say that the Lamb of God, was the one sacrifice...not Jesus...because it’s the same person...not different. So when Paul says Christ sits…it’s the same as saying Jesus sits.

Please answer these to questions...Clearly if possible


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear Chris,

Grace & Peace to U from God & Son Unlimited.

I once thought and believed as you, that Jesus and Christ are the same, and sacrifice was good; But then learned there had to be two Gods and two Sons to sort out, for one God concludes them all sinners by law, and one God does not law impute sin to them by grace. So either two Gods are opposed about them, or one God is a bi-polar psychopath and fearful to approach lest he's having a law worketh wrath day.

I discovered mention of the only true God denotes a false God to find and compare, till it becomes known the only true God is Grace, Who cannot lie nor die. Upon reviewing things about Jehovah God, it became evident Jehovah lied, promised those who exodused Egypt would enter the promised land; But none of the originals did, not even Moses. From there I began to look closer at the details, and noticed we are exhorted to compare spiritual things with spiritual, as if comparing law with grace beyond the two Adams, especially if as in Adam all die.

Alpha and Omega may both be in the Greek Alphabet, but Alpha is not Omega; As Law and Grace may both be in the Bible, but Law is not Grace. Law is the ministration of death and Grace is the ministration of spirit which giveth life. Law may be the beginning, but the beginning of law knowledge and wisdom is fear (Ps & Prov), which hath torment; Not to mention law is the beginning of sorrows, as noted in Mt 24. God is love void of fear (1John 4), which allegorically means His Grace is void of law. For the source of fear, torment thereof, is the law.

Only what began can end. The Law began.
Eternal Grace has no beginning nor end.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear Mr. Miles,

I would like to say thank you for being willing to "debate" (for lack of a better word) when really you could have turned. I would like to give a constructive criticism, after about three weeks of looking through you information I had found myself confused, but not because I saw things in new light but rather because I couldn’t follow you writing, maybe just me though. I would recommend that you use your last response as an article on the main page. I say this because it would seem to me that this is a Major part of your "doctrine" and I don’t think I could easily have found that you. And if I were just a lay person (which is fine, come with child like faith) I could have been lead down a path I didn’t want to go, and I feel that could run along the lines of deceitfulness. I guess in whole I’m just recommending that you simplify in some areas. I really do thing you last response is important to make known on you main page, just as is.

Thank you

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD


Thanks for the scrutiny. I am always open to scrutiny, but not to mutiny. My main concerns with "Jesus" are the sin imputation (condemnation), partiality, and left/right division. I find no accusaton (John 5:45), no condemnation (John 8:3-11), no partiality, and no division "in Christ" is the end of the law. I find "Jesus" plays two parts: Son of man and Son of God "on high"; But "Christ" plays one part: Son of God in heaven: "higher than the heavens".

I also find the mediator between man and God is CJ, not JC; And JC is the only foundation laid to build on: Mt 1:1 ... Jn 1:17 ... 1Cor 3:11 ... Rev 22:21. For JC occurs from begin to end of NT; But CJ only occurs from Acts to Peter. Furthermore, when reconciled to that God through J-->C, there is no need for a mediator nor an intercessor. Once we agree with that God (of this/that Gods) there is no need for mediation. For mediation only occurs between parties that do not agree. I have no problem agreeing with a merciful God that is not partial. But I reject an awful lawful God that is partial and lies. As such, I find some agreement with atheists and non believers, who also reject an awful lawful God, and do not ignore contradictions.

My goal is simply to promote more awareness and understanding, not accusation nor condemnation; And to deal with contradictions rather than ignore such.

I also find the narrow way isn't life, but rather only "leadeth to life" by go on, unto perfection; And going on is by leaving principles(laws) in Hebrews 6.

I also find there's a third way: the "more excellent way", to consider; Especially in the prophetic "third day" is as the seventh day is as the last day, which is beyond the last days(plural) of 0-2000AD which were millennial (allegorically speaking). For the seventh day has no mention of evening and morning, and the last day is not millennial, but eternal.

God called the light Day, so we could say it's the last light: that Light of that God: the light that's void of darkness, or the understanding that's void of ignorance, or the grace that's void of law, or the mercy that's void of sacrifice, or the peace that's void of division (law vs law & law vs grace). Only that sort of peace is true rest. So Christ is our peace(rest) who abolished the law(enmity), to make of twain one new man that is neither broad minded nor nor narrow minded, but Christ minded.

I hope I explained it in a way that's understandable.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear Chris,

Here is an email reply to a pastor in Migowi, which may help you understand our mission and doctrine:

Dear Pastor Duncan Nyozani,
(Searchlight Ministries, Migowi)

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for emailing GodShew.Org with your ministry information and invitation to partnership... But:

By our work, we hope to bring an end to your work:

GodShew.Org is a third day internet (only) ministry of Pure Religion: Undefiled Grace Mercy Peace to spiritual widows and orphans afflicted by their own legalism: trust in the law; For law is unfair, corruptible, non eternal. Since the law began (the law was given by Moses), it brought fear (hath torment) and sorrows to the world. Only when law is ended will there be perfect Love(God) void of fear.

While we applaud your good work in Migowi, to the physical orphans, we believe there's a higher heaven with a higher calling to be made known unto the world; Of that God in heaven: higher than the heavens, Who is void of any Law Sacrifice Division. Our goal is to bring worldwide awareness that God (Grace void of law) was in Christ (the end of the law) reconciling the world unto himself (the God of all grace), by not imputing sins unto them: 2Cor 5:19. That God has given us the word of reconciliation: Grace (not both grace and law)...

Come; Not both Come ye blessed & Depart ye cursed.
Both bless & curse ought not come out the same mouth.
Jesus Christ = the same to day, yester day, for ever.
It isn't law, but grace & truth came by Jesus Christ.

For law imputing sin to anyone brings the ministration of condemnation and the ministration of death on everyone ("cursed everyone": Galatians 3) by "the curse of the law", which not only imputes sin to all and strengthens sin's death sting upon all; But also imputes unpardonable sin, both in this world and the to come. What a law dilemna for us all; Making it necessary to abolish law, once and for all, lest all perish by law instead of none perish by grace void of law.

God did NOT send his Son to condemn(law) the world,
but that through him the world might be saved(graced).

Eternal life is through Jesus-->Christ, "in Christ".
For "as in Adam(first & last Adam) all die"; Not live.
Reconciliation is (thru Jesus-->Christ)-->to that God.
It's Best of (Good-->Better)-->Best for all, not some.
Save some scuttles all perish until it's none perish.

Romans 2 says law judging others is "inexcusable" and self-condmening with consequences: wrath & indignation, tribulation & anguish. So let us all stop doing it: law imputing sin for the hell of it. Let us put an end to the law, establish grace by letting law be dead testator of the NT.

Only what began can end. The Law began.
(by law what began was fear and sorrows)
Eternal Grace has no beginning nor any end.

By our work, we hope to bring an end to your work.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
Founder of www.GodShew.Org
www leader for 'probating' the will of God

----- Original Message -----
From: Searchlight Orphan Care
To: approved@godshew.org

Dear Pastor,
Greetings from Malawi in the Mighty name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We hope and believe that God is on your side. Here all we are fine, many thanks.
The main aim of writing this is to introduce ourselves to you. We are known by “ Searchlight Ministries” and our main vision is to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to train leaders for his work in villages and towns of Malawi and Mozambique and plant churches. We do this through crusades, leadership seminars and distribution Christian literatures such as tracts, magazines, bibles, hymn books wherever there’s need to do so.
We also care the orphans, widows, aged people with HIV/AIDS and the needy in general. We provide services such as distribution of relief aid i.e. second hand clothes, food, vocational training to vulnerable, elder,
orphans and the poor jobless school leavers in preparation for their independent adulthood. We are also running a free orphan nursery school. We provide porridge, lunch and some gifts.
Since we started our projects of providing for the poor (needy) we have been looking for brothers, sisters and organization whom we can partner with so that we can hold hands in meeting spiritual and physical needs of His people as they are in spirit, soul and body. We therefore encourage our friends (men and women) from all over the world if possible (with the help of God) to visit us in Malawi to see what we are doing here.
We shall be more blessed to share vision, skills and knowledge together with us here.
At present we are also practicing the growing of Vegetables such as tomatoes, cabbage, rape, onions and green pepper as an income generating activity to support the needy as one way of reducing poverty at household level.
We would like to hear more about yourself and all what you are doing over there.
God bless you.
Hope to hearing from you soonest.
Pastor Duncan Nyozani
Searchlight Ministries

Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear AC Paul (AntiChrist Paul),

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God "our Father" and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Indeed Paul, as a faithful "steward" of the mysteries of God, proves both sides using plural and contrary scriptures; But always concludes only one thing: the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH YOU ALL. AMEN. His pauline epistle format opens and closes with grace, and with JC (not CJ); And in between is sandwiched an allegoric discussion of law vs grace, and from the (plural and contrary) scriptures. But as Paul notes, it is not plural and contrary scriptures that are inpsired of God, but the "script-u-are" of such plural and contrary scriptures written aforetime for our learning.

The conversion of Paul is notably in three stages:
Terrorist Saul-->Wretched Paul-->Paul The Apostle.
In Acts 11 they are called "Christians" at Antioch;
But Saul notably doesn't become Paul until Acts 13.
So to get the whole picture pay attention to details.
Acts 22 prophesies Paul as "his witness to all men".
Peter gets converted by reading all Paul's epistles.

So, to remove Paul would require removing Acts (written by Luke), all of Paul's epistles (Romans ... Hebrews), and also Peter's second epistle; Which would tend to miss the gospel of Paul is notably the gospel of God (Grace unto you) and the gospel of Christ (Peace unto you): the gospel of Grace & Peace. Not to mention removal of Paul's epistles would negate the conversion of Peter, the apsotle to the Jews, who was told when (not if) he got converted, to strengthen (grace & truth) his brethren: Luke 22:32. So you would also have to delete Luke to delete Paul and also Peter's conversion thereby reading Paul's epistles. Such is absurd, and the cannonization matter was long ago settled by learned men.

It is only by abolition of law that the conscience is purged of sin, which is brought forth in the Pauline epistles. For law, being imperfect, cannot make the comers to it perfect. And "be ye perfect" is a constant theme in both the OT and NT: Genesis 17:1 and Matthew 5:48. Such is further clarified in Luke 6:36 as be ye also merciful, as God in heaven is. The law is not merciful, as told us in Hebrews 10:28. So be perfect, also merciful, is be grace us, not awful lawful.

The reason Paul is all things to all men, is so he can get beneath them and edify them up, from below, to where they can be further exhorted up higher; Rather than have them only puffed up with law to on high, where it's still division, and not peace, still law vs law or law vs grace, and not grace only.

Jesus: division, not peace: Mt 10:34; Lk 12:51
Christ: peace, not division: Jn 14:27; Eph 2:14
Peace with God is notably "through Jesus-->Christ".
God is not the author of confusion, but of "peace".
Grace is not the author of unrest, but of "rest".
Division: unrest(law vs grace). Peace: rest(grace).
Christ is our peace(rest) who abolished the law.
That is what Paul teaches: Grace and Peace(rest).

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Oh Mister Miles,
There you go again speaking of something you know nothing of. Your quote reads:
"Such is absurd, and the cannonization matter was long ago settled by learned men."
Silly goose, have you ever heard of the "apocrypha"? These books belonged to the "canonized" bible until the 1500's when Martin Luther had them removed. So my question is Sir, which is correct? Should we become Catholic because the Catholics still have these books "canonized" in there bible, or do we have to admit that the "learned men" inspired(?) by the holy spirit in the 3rd century made a mistake? You cannot have your cake and eat it too (unless you are Catholic). Mr. Luther also tried to remove Revelation, James, Jude and Hebrews (fact of history). So what do you say Mr. Miles. Are you becoming Catholic or do you admit the bible was not put together by men under the infallible hand of the holy spirit? What do you say about this Chris? Are you Catholic? If not, you need to get converted and use their Roman Catholic bible with the extra "hidden" books? Nobody have an answer? I did not think so.
Goodevening Gentlemen.

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Dear AC Paul,

Grace & Peace to U from God & Son Unlimited.

I'm sharing what I've learned, from much study of the Bible, the Apocrypha, and Translators of the Bible: learned men all, who unanimously thought it to be preposterous order to teach first and learn after.

I've studied the Apocrypha enough to discern it doesn't fit in Holy Bible. I wouldn't say don't read it, but rather compare it to what's in the Bible.

I'm catholic(universal), but not Roman Catholic nor Protestant, as these terms denote partiality and division to me. In their Epistle Dedicatory to the seventh bible made from six previous bibles, Translators note they were maligned and traduced on both sides by popish people and by self-conceited brethren, when making a seventh Bible called Holy Bible (KJV), to make God's holy truth the more known.

Pst: Only what began can end. The Law began.
Eternal Grace has neither beginning nor end.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Good answer Mr. Miles,
You then agree that the bible was not put together infallible. Since you do not believe the apocrypha is inspired, then I must conclude you believe the bible was not infallible. This makes the possibility that the writings of Paul were not inspired either.
The original 1611 KJV bible still had the apocrypha included! That was interesting to find out too. It was removed in later publications.

I am really interested in hearing your thought on this paradox subject (if not Catholic of course). We eagerly anticipate your response.
I do like Danny Miles. I just had to "convince" him to write down what he really believed about Jesus so people would know. Readers should know he does not believe in a literal Jesus.

Both of you have a fabulous day!

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AC Paul - Mr. Miles,
I am a Born Again Christian, I do believe that the Bible, is the infallible work of the Lord God, I don’t believe that the word is at all allegorical, reason for that is it give man the power to decide what the word says, who are we that God says you know I can create you but I don’t think I can tell you what I want to tell you so if you study you can find to allegorical meaning. You don’t build a computer and say this is how you work in its Instructions Manuel, but not mean it because you what the operator to study endlessly to come up with the trick to what I'm saying...that would be just silly.
You also don’t need 11 straight years of studying the bible as Mr. Miles claims...which I find suspect sorry 100,000 hours studying is crazy but if so then more to you...all you need is the Holy Spirit working in you.

okay so the Apocrypha, Yes the apocrypha was in the King James, and this 1611 King James, but what you might have missed unless you opened them is that they are an appendix of reference material between the Old and the New Testament...Luther prefaced the Apocrypha with a statement:

"Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the Holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read."

They are not once quoted by the New Testament writers, who frequently quote from the LXX. Our Lord and his apostles confirmed by their authority the ordinary Jewish canon, which was the same as we have today.

These books were written not in Hebrew but in Greek, and during the "period of silence," from the time of Malachi, after which direct revelations from God ceased till the Christian era.

The contents of the books themselves show that they are not part of Scripture

I hope this clears any questions


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Sorry wrong By name on Post above...Posted By: Chris...myself...

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Dear AC Paul,

Grace & Peace to U from God & Son Unlimited.

I find there were perhaps 2, maybe 3 Bibles printed around 1611, by Oxford Univeristy Press: who's mandate was make money by printing what people paid for. I noted Translators of the Bible were maligned & traduced on both sides, by Catholics & Protestants, as noted in their Epistle Dedicatory; So it's not unreasonable to guess both also printed their per versions: Catholic version containing Apocrypha but not Epistle Dedicatory, Protestant version containing neither Epistle Dedicatory nor the Apocrypha. The oldest bible I've gotten my hands on is pre 1900, and it's neither Catholic nor Protestant, does contain the Epistle Dedicatory, but not the Apocrypha.

As for what's inspired of God, of such plural and contrary scriptures written as a comparative teaching, it's notably not plural scriptures in 2Timothy 3:16, but the singular "script-u-are" of such plural and contrary scriptures written aforetime for our learning. If both were inspired of God, it would make God divided, against himself, bi-polar.

Furthermore it's all allegory, not to be taken literal nor historical, but written aforetime for our learning: Romans 15:4. Eg: "go ye and LEARN what meaneth I will have mercy, and not sacrifice": Mt 9:13 & Mt 12:7, repeated from Ps 40:6, Ps 51:16, and Hos 6:6 as a 'go figure' what such allegory means. I did go figure, and found it means: I will have grace, and not law: Hebrews 10.

Perhaps you are behind the times, for biblical scholars have been looking into the allegorical aspect of the bible for about 100 years now, along with the contradictions, too many to be ignored. When I find a contradiction I don't ignore it, but compare it to a counter part, and flush counter part after; For when the perfect part comes, imperfect part is to be done away, put away, put off, abolished as enmity.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

I like you too AC Paul, but get frustrated by your willingness to "live godly in CJ", thereby "suffer"; And to cause the Lord to l-o-n-g-suffer to us-ward, which is neither of them vs them oppose themselves.

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NO it does not "clear" it up Chris. The books were accepted as inspired for nearly 1200 years just like any of the other books. The men who put the bible together in the 300's said they were inspired and canonized. So answer the simple question. Do you believe in them or do you admit the bible was fallible as put together at the start and remained for 12 centuries. The question is simple and you can not ecsape it as much as you try. You DID NOT answer the question. Please answer the simple question. The question has nothing to do with the 1611 KJV printed 1200 years later. Answer the question Chris! Do you believe in the books or do you accept the bible was put together in the third century by fallible people. I await your answer to the simple question.
Goodevening Sir.

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AC Paul
The men how put the Bible together in the 300-400's put together the New Testament, the Old was already together, and from the very beginning these books were not allowed as the word of God, second is the when they were Place in the were just like having a study bible...just because it was in the bible doesn’t mean it’s the word of God, or do you think that the notes added in study bibles are scriptural, no.
Now let’s look at what Gods word says

Revelation 22:18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

So if the Hebrew, Jewish Old Testament was what Jesus himself studied or talk from-and the Apocrypha was not consider part of the bible and then God says through John if and one adds to the book.....

doesn’t it seem suspect to all of a sudden...300 years after that...now all these "smart guys" decided that you know what, lets add these books to the old testament...no rather they said. Let’s put them in as some important knots...or study material...nowhere does it say they added them as inspired work but rather uninspired works that were good for reading just like study notes can be good, but not infallible? And then much later they were added by the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church...doesn’t this seem suspect.

9 Reasons the Apocrypha doesnt Belong
1.Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament
2.None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
3.The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthrow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
4.The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the Christian church.
5.The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanies is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
6.The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:
Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:
2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
Salvation by works:
Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.
Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish...and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.
Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):
Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
7.It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
8.No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East.

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Dear Robert Hillman,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for posting your opinion on GodShew.Org's unlimited and unconditional Forum.

In Hebrews, perhaps a mini bible itself, I find GOD on high both "spake" and "spoke", in both "time past" and "last days", to both them and us, via prophets and the Son. However it is now neither time past nor last days, neither BC nor 0-2000AD, but the last day(light): beyond 2000AD; And perhaps time to re-consider and re-think what sort of day(light) it should be, for eternity... if such things be "allegory" and "mystery" to solve "in time" by find grace in time to help, since there's neither mystery nor time for mystery in eternity.

Let us look at Amos 5:19 concerning such: The day of the LORD (LAW) is darkness, not light; Woe unto you that desire it. To what end is it for you? Now let us look at 1John 1:5: That God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. Such is what we have heard of him from the beginning.

Now back to Genesis 1: God said: let there be light(only); Not darkness only, nor both light and darkness. Now look at the seventh day in Genesis 2, which notably has no mention of "evening and morning" as it does six times in Genesis 1.

Now let us look at Hebrews 10, to note law is as a shadow, or a dark version, of things to come. Grace is as light, or the very things to come. So then let there be light becomes let there be grace; Or as Solomon said it in Proverbs 4: with all thy getting, get understanding, and when understanding is embraced, your head (Christ is the head of every man) will be crowned, with "grace" glory: Obviously the glory of God we all are being changed to, as by the Spirit, in 2Corinthians 3.

As for the word of God, I find in Hebrews 4:12 that the word of God is three things, and it notably does three things:
i) it's quick (alive)
ii) it's powerful (full of power)
iii) it's sharper than any twoedged sword
i) it divides asunder soul(Adam1)<-->spirit(Adam2)
ii) it divides asunder joints(laws)<-->marrow(grace)
iii) it discerns the thoughts & intents of the heart
Why? Because, as noted in Hebrews and elsewhere, if the heart is not established "with" grace, then it's "against" grace (Matthew 12:30); and it will then condemn(law) itself with it's own mouth (Job 15:6... Mt 15:11... Mk 7:18-23... Rom 2:1).

Now John 3:16
But God did not send his Son to condemn(law) the world, which had condemned itself already with it's own mouth; Rather God sent his Son that through him (thru J-->C) the world might be saved (graced and truthed), not destroyed.

Now John 5:45
God's Son would not accuse anyone; But did reveal who the accuser of the brethren is: Moses' Law; the schoolmaster that should be dismissed: Galatians 3, since it failed every student: all who tried to attain righteousness (grace) of the law failed to attain it: Romans 9:31.

Now to John 8:3-11
God's Son would not even condemn(law) the woman caught in adult-ery; But did notably stoop x2 and also arose x2 to clear the room of her accusers, and did notably tell her the same thing told the impotent man: go and sin(law) no more. And the reason was: if you continue lawing (law imputing sin for the hell of it) your latter state will be worse, not better. Worse? Seven other spirits more wicked... Revelation notably has seven spirits. Worse? More the child of hell(law) than former fools, hypocrites, vipers, and blind guides who sat in Moses' Seat: Law: Mt 23.

So then, the word of God notably both wrongly and rightly divides the word of truth: truth about the law and truth about grace, for compare-i-son, and notably to get to the heart of the matter: a heart not established "with" grace will be against His grace (law is against us: Colossians 2:14), and thereby self-condemn itself with it's own mouth. Eg: Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: Job 15:6. Eg: By law judging others you self-condemn yourself: Romans 2:1.

So then, fatherly Paul tells sonly Timothy to study, and notably to shew himself approved(only) unto God, and thereby be a workman that needs not be ashamed(lawed), by rightly dividing the word of truth to grace is sufficient (no law required). For when in agreement with God, then no schoolmaster is required, nor any mediation of any mediator.

Obviously being law abiding does not result in being approved unto God, if no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, and without faith is it impossible to please God, and the law is not of faith, but is sin, as told us in Rom 14:23... Gal 3:11. Rather being justified by law is a fall, from grace to law, and then the result is Christ(is the end of the law: Rom 10:4) is of no effect to you: Galatians 5:4. What then? Then it's not suffered to continue by reason of death(law): Hebrews 7:23. Why? The Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not them-ward; For in them, in either of them1 or them2, is no eternal life, but rather life + death = dead end. Same goes for either of the two Adams: Adam1 or Adam2: as in Adam all die. So let us not stop at dividing asunder Adam1<-->Adam2, as done in 1Cor 15:45 and Heb 4:12, but go on to the dividing asunder of joints(laws)<-->marrow(grace), and rightly divide such to grace is sufficient (no law required), in order to establish the heart with grace, not against, nor with and against. Thereby no more punishing schoolmaster nor any more suffering via a mediator handing out mediation from GOD on high. For all who will live godly (childish) in CJ (reverse of JC) shall suffer. Selah.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles

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Dear Robert Hillman,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

GOD notably both spake and spoke, by prophets and Son, to them and us, in time past and last days: Hebrews 1. But it is neither time past nor last days now; Rather it's "the last day", or the third day, beyond 2000AD; And since the 7th day is eternal, having no mention of even-ing and mourn-ing, and since the 3rd day is like unto the 7th day, it's now a question of which day should be the last day, the eternal day(light), of twain days posed:
- the day of the LORD is darkness and not light
- the day of that God is light having no darkness
We can only have one last day, beyond last days.
So even in the new, of old/new, there's both the new and dead way or the new and living way to sort out; Or we could say the 3rd aspect of 3 ways:
- broad way... leads to destruction, by draw back
- narrow way... leadeth to life, but only by go on
- more excellent way... is neither broad nor narrow

Broad <--> Narrow --> More Excellent
Many <--> Many/Few --> All neither many nor few
TheirPart <--> YourPart --> No Part-iality

The word of God notably both wrongly and rightly divides asunder the word of truth in Hebrews 4:12;
firstly dividing asunder soul<-->spirit, which is as divide asunder Adam1<-->Adam2 in 1Corinthians 15:45;
But since as in Adam all die, whether Adam1 or Adam2,
a question is posed: shall all be made alive in Christ? Perhaps since there is no partiality "with" God, only partiality "against" God; And if not all made alive in Christ, then not you either, when it comes to forgiven or unforgiven in Matthew 6:14,15, and to unforgiven by self-condemning law judging others in Romans 2, and to forgiven + tormented in Mt 18.

So then, let's get on with answering the questions posed: shall all be made alive in Christ? Is there any partiality with God? What day is it: the day of darkness(law) or the day of light(grace)?

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Good answer Chris,
First I will start that I agree that the books are not scripture and never were. You make good points and lots more could be made why they are not. Now to were I disagree. The books were canonized in the council of Hippo in 393. That is a fact. They were upheld again in the council of Carthage in 397. It was not until 419 that books such as 2 Peter, 2, 3 John, Jude, and Revelation were canonized. In the first few centuries there was no accepted canon of scripture. There was hundreds of writings people used. That is just a fact of history. So, the "hidden" books were canonized in the late 3rd century despite what you wrote. In 397 it was declaired that only canonized books were to be read in church. The "hidden" books were part of the listed canon and that is a fact. Do your research. So to say that there was some miricle from God on how we finally arrived at our current bible and it contains only inspired scripture and no other real scripture was left out and destroyed is pretty lame at best. So who were these so called inspired men of God under the devine leadership of the Holy Spirit which decided on which was which? Its a good story and sounds wonderfully great, but is really just non-sense and leaves out the truth that just plain old arguing men decided on what went in and what stayed out. Now having said that, I will say God did decide which books went in and they were not all His words. It is done as a test if we will follow Him or follow the evil one. Jesus preached Fathers gospel and Paul preached the gospel of the evil one. We have a choice just as Adam and Eve had a choice. Do we believe Father and Jesus, or do we believe Paul and the evil one. That is our choice to make. Jesus and Paul do not and never did preach the same gospel. That is just a simple fact my friend which if debated, Paul will be ground to dust. It has already been debated on here and I will not do it again. Paul is the antichrist Jesus warned would SOON come and deceive even the apostles if possible. Paul can not be an apostle of the Lamb which he claims. It is totally impossible. The facts and words of Jesus say so. But people are to comfy with the gospel of Paul to listen to what Jesus really had to say. Mr. Miles had to admit that he did not believe in a literal Jesus because if he said Jesus was literal, Jesus blew Paul out of the water and exposed him for the liar he was. Ask Mr. Miles if he could answer any of the problems with Paul based on the words and teachings of Jesus. He could not so he can't believe in a literal Jesus. You cannot put your faith in Jesus and Paul. Jesus is the life, way and truth. Paul is a deciever taught by the best liar ever created dressed up in the light of Jesus. Go ahead and say I am stupid, decieved, a worker of the devil, a non-believer. I do not care. I know who Paul was and do not listen to anything he says. I will not go along with the world just because they say so. That will not be a good enough answer to Father and Jesus on judgement day. He would say to me "depart"! Those are words I really do not want to hear. I know who Paul is, so if I followed Paul I would lose my life.
Thank you for your time and answers.

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AC Paul,
One I must as for forgiveness of you...I am sorry that I previously spoke in a tongue of sarcasm, or prideful ness in my knowledge. I do not mean to boast in myself or degrade/humiliate anyone. Please bear with me for I am a work in progress.
From what I have read and from previous posts and this one it seems as though you a well learned individual. The one thing I would ask is where in the Bible are you finding discrepancies between Jesus and Paul...if I don’t see/believe it then I cant really comment on nothing...just some scriptural references...and then I will read...meditate...pray and then would be happy to respond. ThankYou

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Dear Chris,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

My concern with AC Paul (AntiChrist Paul) is his partiality and division; Due to not letting go of the law. He will not see the gospel of Paul is both "the gospel of God" (Grace) and "the gospel of Christ" (Peace), via an "apostle of JC by the will of God". He still wants law judgment and division thereof, and "depart" for some, instead of "come" for all.

A study of Romans reveals it's written unto both Jews and Gentiles, with several things mentioned twice:
- ye/we are not under the law, but under grace x2
- the grace of our Lord JC with you all. Amen. x2

A study of Peter's conversion reveals it occured later than Paul's, and from reading all Paul's epistles. So Peter, as the apostle to the Jews, was not converted in Acts, nor doing his part: converting the Jews from law to grace; But rather dissimulating, which caused Barnabas to get carried away. So Paul (being both a Jew and a Gentile himself) had to speak to both Jews and Gentiles, but to the Jew first, in accordance with scriptures. Yet Paul's own conversion was also in three statges: Terrorist Saul --> Wretched Paul --> Paul The Apostle (his witness unto all men). Pauline epistles clarify such things, and James dovetails with Pauline epistles. Both Pauline epistles and James dovetail with the four gospels and Acts. Canonization of NT books reflects all these things, instead of which book was written first; And was unanimously agreed upon by nearly fifty learned men called Translators of the Bible, who meticously reveiwed every word of it. Furthermore, their translation was subject to the scrutiny of all learned men in the kingdom comprised of Great Britain, France, and Ireland; Which was allegorically five in one house divided, since Great Britain was comprised of England, Scotland, and Wales. Hence the need to make God's holy truth the more known.

The GRACE of our Lord JC with you all. Amen.

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Good Afternoon Chris,
I will be out a few days. I will then post some problems with Paul. Please understand, I judge none on believing in Paul or not. The deception is great and had me too for a long time. So if I judge any, I bring judgement on myself. I base my beliefs on Jesus alone and the few He taught in person. That can't be a bad thing. I look forward to our discussion. If it is alright with you, I would like to first discuss Paul's apostleship to the Gentiles. I think you will be interested in what is in the bible about this.
Peace be with you.
Read your post Danny. God bless your soul. Why can you not believe the plain and simple words of Jesus? I wish you would. You can not bless people in His name and not believe what He says. No offense, but that is wrong as far as I can see.

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Dear AC Paul,
(Cc - Chris)

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

AC, you mention I'm 'wrong', 'as far as you can see'; Perhaps still wanting to be right to make others wrong, which is still divisional, not peaceful nor unifying. Perhaps you are not (yet) looking above and beyond the law, if you can't see "afar off", as noted in 2Peter 1:9 "he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins".

Or would you also like to delete or ignore 2Peter along with the Pauline epistles? For 2Peter notes his conversion came about by reading all Paul's epistles, and agrees with what's written in Paul's epistles; With converted Peter now saying the same (JC) things, but noting such things are hard to comprehend when carnal minded, or highminded, instead of Christ minded. For 2Peter speaks of spiritual growth in our Lord and Saviour JC: "grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen". But 1Peter still speaks of both CJ & JC, yet notably as an apostle of JC offering "peace" to all that are in CJ. So, perhaps we should pay closer attention to the details to solve the mystery; And focus on peace rather than on division.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Peter or Paul to the Gentiles?

Mat 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 15:22
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
Mat 15:27
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

It would seem Peter and the other 11 were to preach only to the house of Israel. But things are not always what they seem as I have learned. Jesus came for His lost sheep while walking on this earth, so His followers would do the same. But what about after the house of Israel rejected Jesus and had Him killed? Did He have another plan for Peter that He knew from the beginning?

Act 10:9
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
Act 10:10
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:11
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15
And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
Act 10:16
This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Was this vision really about Jesus making all foods clean? Would Peter not have know this by now if this is what Jesus taught? We see Peter still had not eaten anything unclean. Peter goes on to explain later exactly what the vision had meant.

Act 11:1
And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2
And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3
Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4
But Peter rehearsed [the matter] from the beginning, and expounded [it] by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5
I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6
Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7
And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8
But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9
But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
Act 11:10
And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11
And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12
And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

We can see that the vision had nothing to do with food, but everything to do with the Gentiles. What was once “unclean” could now be cleansed. The vision was to tell Peter that He was now to go out to the Gentiles and preach the gospel. No more did Father in Heaven have a chosen people. His chosen people would now be of spirit and not of race. Jew or Gentile could now be part of the true house of Israel. Peter confirms being the one chosen by Father in the follow verses.

Act 10:44
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We see Peter preached and the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles. Now listen to Peter as a dispute broke out over the issue. I think the words of Peter are loud and clear.

Act 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:

Notice that Paul was there and heard Peter’s words. Paul then spoke of “miracles and wonders”. Why does then James say, hey people, listen to me now? Does it kind of seem odd to stop the story right there and not write whatever James thought was that important to say? Now lets look at the words of Paul, knowing that Peter was chosen to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
Gal 2:8
(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10
Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Did Father change His mind? Did He make a mistake choosing Peter to preach to the Gentiles? Did Peter really disobey the will of Jesus and hand over the Gentiles to Paul? It seems that Paul says the others are only “seemed” pillars. I guess this is why Paul said he withstood Peter, blamed him and later on calls him a hypocrite. This is a paradox I can find no answer for except one. Either Peter, Jesus, and Father in Heaven made a mistake or Paul was sadly mistaken about his authority and apostleship. I tried to give Paul the benefit of the doubt for nearly 20 years. It became clear to me that there was more than meets the eye going on here.

If this was the only problem, I could look past it. But Paul has many more worse problems. Would you like to know more? It is up to you. What do you think about this?
Thank you very much for your time.

If you believed in Father in Heaven, you would believe this...Paul is not your friend. Don't wait too long Danny. Your salvation is now. Do not wait for the summer to pass.

Re: Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Dear AC Paul & Chris,

Grace & Peace from God & Son.

God isn't the author of confusion (unrest), but of peace (rest); Especially on the seventh day, and the third day is as the seventh day when counting the days in John 1 & 2:1. Let him that hath understanding count: Rev 13.

In Luke 15 we find both the son who was lost(dead) is found(alive), and the sheep which was lost(dead) is found(alive). So rejoice, if none lost, all found. Furthermore it was Son of Man who came to seek and save the lost; And in Numbers 23:19 it's the Son of Man who should repent, for perceiving any were lost, by giving place to both lost and found, or to clean and unclean, via grace and law.

God never ever saw both clean and unclean, nor both good and evil. From the get go, in Genesis 1, God saw "good"(only) x6, and "very good" the 7th time. It was the LORD, of God vs the LORD in the flood story, who perceived both clean and unclean. So let us distinguish between God and the LORD; For if one God be both, then God's a bi-polar psycopath to be avoided, lest he's having a law worketh wrath day, and not merciful but both merciful and merciless.

As for the twelve, old and new, they were like a hung jury, and could never agree on anything, and got upbraided for their unbelief. Two of the twelve, namely John and James, moved the ten to indignation. Of Judas it is said he "also betrayed him", denoting others did; Especially Peter, who denied him thrice, and perhaps twice. After the crucifixion and resurrection we find them hiding behind a locked door, in fear mode, not in perfect love void of fear.

Peter is called Satan: an offence: Mt 16:23; And fore-told he'd get converted: Lk 22:32. In John 21 gone fishing Peter didn't even recognize the risen Lord at Tiberias, and when he heard it was the Lord he cast himself into the sea. In Acts he dissimulates, gets jailed, breaks out of jail and goes underground, later surfacing as Cephas, perhaps the first Pope.

Peter reveals his conversion came about by reading all Paul's epistles: 2Pet3. Only then did he strengthen (grace) his brethren with grace mercy peace as foretold to do; With "grow in grace"; But firstly with peace to those in CJ, as from JC, in 1Pet, finally concluding JC as our Lord and Saviour, to whom be glory, both now and for ever, in 2Pet.

So also Paul speaks to CJ folk as an apostle of JC, clarifying JC is the only foundation laid to build on, and concludes the grace of JC with you all, against none of you. But Paul gets converted first, in three stages:
Terrorist Saul-->Wretched Paul-->Paul The Apostle
And therefore also cannonized first in the Bible.

So Paul becomes apostle to both Jews and Gentiles; but to the Jew first, according to the scriptures, and to make up for the slack of Peter, till Peter got fully converted from law to grace. In Romans we find things mentioned twice, for both Jews and Gentiles:
- ye/we are not under the law, but under grace x2
- the grace of our Lord JC with you all. Amen. x2
We also find there's no difference between Jews and Gentiles, as there's no respect of persons with God.

Peter also becomes apostle to both Jews and Gentiles, but still dissimulates (causing Barnabas to get carried away) till he gets withstood to the face and converted by reading all Paul's epistles; In which Paul is revealed as a "steward" of the mysteries. So Paul writes about both sides from the scriptures, but concludes one thing only: Grace with you all. Amen. So it's not Noahic grace: partial and unmerciful, but JC grace and truth: impartial and merciful to you all.

It's a "mystery", noted over 20 times in the NT; So to solve the mystery we're told "take heed", pay closer attention to the details; And don't form any judmental opinion till you've read it all, unto the end. For every good mystery has lots of twists to it. So also the NT, a "better testament" with a "better hope", has a third part hidden within it to discover, called the "more excellent way" which is neither broad minded nor narrow minded, but Christ minded. Such is brought forth by Paul: "his witness unto all men". So if you reject the Pauline epistles, you'll miss the best part of (good-->better)-->best; Also called "greatest" of (great-->greater)-->greatest.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Re: Two Miss Quotes, and two liars, WILL YOU BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

Thank you for the reply. Please understand I do know what you think and why you think it. I knew from the beginning. You have to understand I know who Paul is and why he wrote what he wrote. I also know he never saw or spoke to Jesus once. Neither in the flesh or in the spirit. Please know that I know this for a fact. A fact that can not change. I do not suppose that I could ever change your mind and that was never my intent. My intent was for you to say what you really believe about Jesus. People had to know this to avoid your deception of saying you believe in Jesus. If my time here shows only one person who might of fell for you, instead sees your false teaching for what they are and that you really do not believe in Jesus, then my time was well spent. I know I have a greater understanding of how to defeat your teaching now and that you have a greater respect for people now and how to treat and speak to them. So that is something good that came out of this. I am sure the true apostles and James the Just loved Paul as a human being, even though they despised his words, deeds and teachings. Peter even showed him respect as Paul was his enemy. Your reply to my post is total and utter non-sense. You again put Paul above Jesus and his hand-picked apostles He lived with and taught. You make Him out to be a retard that could not get things right the first time and had to come back for the mighty Paul to save the world. Do you forget Jesus said He must leave to send the Holy Spirit to teach us all things? Does that mean coming back in person to teach Paul in the "desert" in person? Come on Danny. Do you want to know how I knew what you thought before you said it? Jesus and His true apostles told us what you would believe and teach. It is the same teaching wrapped in a different paper that the evil one spoke from the beginning. Do you really think you could ever fool me? I rebuke your teacher in the name of Yeshua, the one and only true teacher. I believe His words and not the lies of Paul and his followers. You deny the Spirit of Father came in the flesh. You say its just a story for our learning. Well Danny, that story foretold of people like you would come teaching that and dening Yeshua came in the flesh. He and John said these people would be antichrists. You follow the original antichrist, so naturally what they said is true. I do not apologize for saying this. It is just sad to say it because you are a human being just like all of us who was suppost to live forever. I do believe you were taught in the spirit as you say on your site. It was the same spirit who taught Paul. You are such a bright and taughtful man. What could have happened to make you fall for these lies and deception? Why do you want to be a wondering star reserved for judgement? To believe what you believe you have to say Jesus never really existed in the flesh. In whom do you put your faith, hope and trust in then? Is it Paul. An admitted murder and liar from the beginning? Father will forgive all if asked with a pure and repentant heart, but He would never use a past murder as His great teaching apostle. I know that and you know that. Why will you not admit it and turn to the true and might Father in Heaven and Yeshau? Do you know the Jesus Paul teaches is a fairytale? Of course you do because Paul believed in the same made up Pagan Jesus that the evil one convinced him existed. Yeshua said His true law would never pass away. Paul said it did. It is the same old test Father gave us in the beginning. Will you believe Me or someone else. Why do you believe someone else? Adam had the same choice. The men of old had the same test, follow My commandments or follow the pagan laws of sacrifice and bloodshed given by the wicked priests. Guess who they chose. We are now given the same test as believers. Do we follow Jesus who spoke the words of Father or do we follow Paul who spoke the lies and deceptions of the evil one. That is why we are here. We are here to love and follow Father just because we want too. This proves the evil one was wrong. Father wins (as if there was ever any doubt about it). Why do you chose the side of the loser, who lost and was lost from the beginning? Can you not learn from that example? Why do you refuse to love your Creator and follow Him? You were born with him, why did you turn from Him unto the evil one? Deep down in your soul you know Paul can't be telling the truth if the words of Jesus are real and true. So you refuse to believe in Jesus and His words. Do you not know that His words give life? What is Paul and his father going to give you? They will give you nothing my friend! They give nothing because all they can do is take. They will take life Father wants so badly to give you. Why will you not take it? Why do you refuse it? Why do you teach other to refuse it? Why is maybe the question we will never know. Why do you think I bother still talking to you? It is not why you think. Do you really think all will be saved? Do you really think the law and sin do not exist anymore? Do you really believe Jesus never walked the earth as flesh? I believe you would answer yes to all of these. I believe you have been suckered by the best in the business. Who is it that would deceive the whole world and even the elect apostles of Yeshau if possible. Think really hard Danny. After you think really hard, you can only have one answer. The answer would be Paul and his teachings. Who else is it Danny? Is it Simon Magus, Jesus, the 12 apostles, the pope, or maybe Krusty the Klown? No Danny. You know who it is and you still choose to follow him. How can there be forgivness for that? There will not be Danny. You were forced to chose between the words of Yeshua and the words of Paul because you know and admit they cannot both be true. Why did you choose Paul? Why did your choose death? Why do you like being a wondering star? Why not do the one simple thing Yeshua said, repent, follow Me and keep my commandments and law if you love Me. Why don't you love Him instead of Paul? I am quite sure if you could go back in time and meet Paul you would lay a big one to know what he was really like. How could you look Yeshua in the eye, face to face, and say you love Paul and not Him? What would you say to Him Danny? What would you say? Go right now and look into a mirror and tell Him what you would say to Him. He died as a human to defeat the evil one and give you a chance at life. There is no greater love than that Danny. Why will you not love Him back? How can you forsake such a chance? For a murder, deciever and liar? Do you really think Paul would love you that much? Love does not proceed out of a heart of a murder Danny. What will you tell Yeshua when He asks you, Why did you not love me back? What will you say Danny? What will you say? What ever you say, He might say....If you loved me, you would have kept my commandments and told others to do the same. What will you say Danny? What will you say? What if Yeshua was real Danny? What a gift you threw away Danny. And for who......Paul?