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Jesus too? Really!

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23-24
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Mr. Miles,
Tell us about the "Ye" again quoted in the last verse? I guess the people who hear Jesus are the names you called them. What a joke! Go back and smoke that peace pipe again.

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Tim,

We've been thru it Tim.
My Father and your Father is two Fathers: division.
Our Father is one Father of all: unity.

John 3:16 God & Son limited, on high: Law
John 3:17 God & Son unlimited, higher: Grace

Jesus both "answered" and "said".
So we've got two things, not one only.
Two things speaks of God(s), not of God.
John is the only "verily, verily" gospel.
Not to mention the surname of John is Mark.
In such "verily verily" John Jesus plays two parts,
and thereby there's two resurrections mentioned,
and the latter of 2 resurrections is "of damnation".
Now that kinda sounds like a latter end worse to me.
But, if such end is what ye want, ye "may" have it.
As for me, it's none of such like for me thanks.
I'll stick with one resurrection only,
notably to life only, by grace only:

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Sorry ol' chapp-a-roo,
That answer is no answer and stinks. Give a real answer. That's right, there is no real answer because Jesus said it. I believe if Jesus came down to you himself and told you His commandments was the law, you would fight with Him and start quoting Paul.

p.S.
i HOPE EVERYONE READS THIS WHO READS YOUR OTHER CRAP ON LAW AND GRACE.

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Tim,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Tim, it's all allegory in both covenants: Gal 4,
And law is the contrary part that's to be done away;
So the Jesus you believe, is law, is to be done away.
That's why it says e-salvation is "through J-->C".
That's as if to say e-life is through law-->grace.
Which (law/grace) things are an allegoric mystery.

Tim, if you're still taking it literally,
you're about a century behind most people.
The atheists call people like ye: Fundies.
Why don't you go play with these atheists.
You'll find lots on Y!Answers: R&S Section:
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/;_ylt=AoeOSoNDs.nud7iZfiMiDVnb7BR.;_ylv=3?link=list&sid=396545163

Tim, we've been all through the fight/flush thing:
I fought the law and the law won: 7 sons of Sceva
I flushed the law and grace won: Paul The Apostle

Tim, the end of the God shew is already written:
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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No Mr. Miles,
You flushed the very heart of Jesus and Paul won.

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Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul is "his witness unto all men": Acts 22:15,
that law worketh wrath and grace is sufficient;
For Saul was zealous Law & Paul is zealous Grace.
God chose Saul because of his zeal: chief sinner,
and JC apprehended Saul to become Paul The Apostle.
Paul became as zealous for grace as Saul was for law.

Maybe you didn't know this,
as "his witness unto all men",
it includes all other apostles.

Yet Saul-->Paul was no better than Simon-->Peter,
whom JC called Satan and talked of Peter's conversion. For even as Paul an apostle, he felt "wretched", due to trying "another law", the second in Mt 22:36-40 which ye talk about so much. And while in another law of Mt 22 & Rom 8 law law, he said: who will deliver me from this body of death(law). So when he finally put away all law, then he became converted Paul The Apostle, a title given him in the titles of Pauling Epistles.

So true conversion is not from OT Law to NT Law, but from Law to Grace, as Saul-->Paul found out. Therefore he talks of only the greatest of three things never faileth, for the greater of two things still fails. And Jesus said of himself: a "greater" prophet than Jonas and a "greater" king than Solomon is here. But he also said, whenever they say lo here, or lo there is Christ, believe it not. Selah.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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No Mr. Miles,
You flushed the very heart of Jesus and Paul won.

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Dear Mr. Miles,
There is no differnce between OT ture law and NT true law. That is why Jesus said not a letter would fade way until all is complete. That is why Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. Not as a blood sacrifice, but to restore the true law which was from the beginning, even before the beginning, from eternity itself.
Peace Mr. Miles

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Tim,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only thing which fulfills law is the death of all: extinction, and then even the death of itself: the ministration of death, which is essentially the death of death. So then law is essentially suicide-all, against us and even against itself, and therebyu it falls to desolation: nothing. Leaving only grace.

That is why His Grace is not the least bit worried about how the shew will end, since he knows law comes to naught in the end. However, there is the matter of the people to save, prior to law going suicide-all, lest all perish by law prior to law perishing itself.

Such is accomplished by get it: understanding. For understanding is what prevails in heaven: higher than the heavens. And as I've mentioned, when you get it: understanding, thy head (Christ, whose head is God) is crowned with grace glory: Proverbs 4. And thereby God is perfected, as if God were not perfected already, which is only plausible in a shew, whereby the end has no mention of law. For even mention of law makes grace no more grace, and gives place to the ministration of law, the ministration of death, a dead end.

So that's why I always end discussion with grace only.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

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Dear Mr. Miles,
There is no differnce between OT ture law and NT true law. That is why Jesus said not a letter would fade way until all is complete. That is why Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. Not as a blood sacrifice, but to restore the true law which was from the beginning, even before the beginning, from eternity itself.
Peace Mr. Miles

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Of course there is no mention of law in the end. It will be dealt with and sin will be no more. That is not now. Again, we are still here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course law would kill everyone, no one can keep it perfect. That is what the mercy and grace of Jesus is for. That's why satan exposed the law in the beginning, to kill everyone. Good grief Mr. Miles, that does not mean to keep Jesus's law and to say it exists is bad. Jesus law is perfect and just. We are not perfect and just. That's why we have grace. Grace is not to flush perfect and just law. And you call me childish, doubleminded idiot. Gee wiz Mr. Miles.

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Tim,

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only reason we are still here, still grounded, many groundead, is because of you, your adherance to law. When you let the shew end as written, then it never happened, nor ever shall happen. For then it will be as if understanding prevails, not law law.

Why do you torment yourself so l-o-n-g?
And as a dog who turns to his own vomit!

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.