Good brother Daniel,
First things first,
Recap of unanswered points:
1. Where is Pauls name in the Holy City in heaven?
2. The DESERT question?
3. People voice/no voice...see light/no see light?
4. The first fall of Paul?
I guess the law drunk whore city of God fallen from heaven was your response to item number 1? There is nothing I can really say without being mean, so I will keep quite. Answers for the rest? I believe the debate was "Apostle to the Gentiles or the Anti-Christ". Now to respond to you before my new real debate points. I guess if you say Paul wrote Hebrews and Revelation, what more can I say? I can say goats are really sheep and dogs are really cats all day long and it will not make it true. I really like your sign from God scripture quote. Again, what can I say. If you do not know why Jesus said that and what He was talking about, and that it has nothing to do with what I said, more power to you. I am amused by it though. You have clever whit just like Paul. Now back to the real debate you seem to try to avoid.

Point #5
Matt. 5:7
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

1 Cor. 10:23
"All things are lawful to me, but all things are not helpful...."

I ask you this honestly and mean no smart donkey remark. Am I not hearing Jesus correctly? Has heaven or earth passed away? How can you and Paul say absolutly no law exists anymore? No disrespect, but I find it absurd to say the least.

Point #6
1 Cor. 11:2
"Now I praise you, brethern, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions as I delivered them to you." Did not Jesus teach the only thing more powerful than the word of God was the traitions of men because they nulify the word of God?

Point #7
Why does Jesus always say "I tell you the truth." Because he knows he is telling the truth.

Why does Paul so often say (Gal. 1:20) "I do not Lie"?
Is it because the spitit leading Paul knows he is lying? This is by no means a fact or truth, but something to think about and very well could be truth.

Point #8
Not that you will not believe this because you think the aposles are vomit eating dogs, but other people reading will certainly see the point because they believe the apostles.
Gal 2:7-8
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised (Jews) was to Peter(for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles)

Acts 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Who is correct, Peter or Paul? The man who walked with Jesus for 3-1/2 years or Paul who never once meet or spoke to Jesus, unless it was secretly in the "DESERT"? By the way, still waiting on that. After all, that is the debate we agreeded upon, right?

Point #9
Philemon 1:10
I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains,...
1 Cor. 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Notice he did not say "if", he said "I have".
1 Cor. 9:22
...to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Paul is quite the person, or shall we say God? He can beget sons, knows everything, every mystery, all knowledge, and is all things to all people. Seems acting "like" you are "like" whowever you are speaking to is deception? Who is the father of deception and wants to be "in-place-of-God"?
Thank you for your response.

Debate off. AC quit and ran away in accordance with James 4:7's: "Resist the devil and he will flee from YOU" (YOU of Ye/You in John 8:32). Perhaps that is why many ye folk resist, but the devil does not flee. They did not give heed to what's said, especially at the end.

For those interested,
here is AC's secret email
and my email reply to it.

----- Original Message -----
From: AC Paul
To: Daniel Miles
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: Off the record personal note

Plural, not singular greeting to you Danny!
I read some about what happened to you. I understand maybe now why you dislike law so much. I truely am sorry that you went through that (not joking). I love you and do not hate you. I only hate what you teach about law. You have to understand that teaching is my enemy, because it is the enemy of life eternal. Do not fear for I am no lunitic out to get you. I will debate you on Paul though and not be so "nice" about that. This is not public unless you make it that way, which is your choice.

On the lighter side.....did you like my greeting? I think you took the "vengence thing" more real that funny! The point was about calling yourself names with your own words. Anyway, I'm not Heather if that is what you are thinking. I'm a man!

Plural good-byes,
...................................

AC (Against Churches),

Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no 'off the record', not in
"revelation": uncover, disclose, reveal, make known,
and notably to the POINT of:

- "nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid that shall not be known": Matthew 10:26
- "For there is nothing hid which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad": Mark 4:22
- "For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither [any thing] hid, that shall not be known and come abroad: Luke 8:17
- "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known: Luke 12:2
- "ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free": John 8:32

It's not about believe this or that, but about KNOW;

And making known is not for accusation (Jn 5:45) nor for condemnation (Jn 3:17; 8:3-11) of any, but for awareness and understanding of all. For the head of every man is Christ: the end of the law, the Saviour of the world; And the head of Christ is God our Saviour, Who will have mercy and not sacrifice (grace and not law, peace and not division); And Who will have all men saved(delievered, graced) AND all men fully aware what saved(delievered) from: law(sin and death).

So, I will make it public, because knowing is a public matter; For salvation, to the point none perish instead of all perish, is a global matter of salvation(grace) or extinction(law) for all, not for some only: there is "no respect of persons with God"; No, not with law God nor with grace God. By law all die. By grace all live. Either way it's all, not some only. Selah.

Ye may be as 'not nice' as ye like, unto yer own destruction
(if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant; and if any man or angel bring another gospel, let him be accursed by it);

But it will not off end me, nor even hinder my truth out much longer. Not to mention yer vengeance threat has very little effect on me, simply a minor vexation; And even this will soon vanish, as we go on to perfection, forward to us-ward the Lord is longsuffering unto, which is accounted salvation, which is all us and no them at all: just us. For the God given victory is given unto "us", and through Jesus->Christ->God. "The mystery of his will" is "made known" unto "us", is why they cannot be made, perfect, without us, to help. Hell-o!

AC, grace is not against churches, rather with you all. Only law is "against" any, specifically us, as noted in Colossians. So that is why law is done away, abolished, even to the point of blotting out what's "against us". So what's ready to vanish, shall vanish. Poof goes the dragon, a flame out, in the end.

How interesting Palm Sunday = Apirl Fools Day in 2007.

Since it is now Easter (passover) week, and Easter 2007 in the third day is also the seventh day is the last day, ye may wanna review two mentions of "finished" in John 17 and 19, along with probating the will of God, our Father, in heaven, higher than the heavens, to see that God never desired sacrifice for sin, which is "of the law", nor ever took pleasure in "sin, when it is finished, brings forth death (not life)".

If ye desire law(worketh wrath), ye may have it, all the wrath, dis-order, dis-ease, and even death, witch comes with it. If ye must, play out their part having their end, and be faithful unto the death(law). I will play out y(our) part, which is to glory-fy God with grace, to get understanding = grace glory, for all.

AC, secrecy is not the solution, rather part of the problem.

AC, I do not teach, but rather I share what I have learned.
It is preposterous order to teach first and learn afterward.
For what's written is "written aforetime" for our "learning".
Go ye(do err, greatly) and teach(err) is for compare-i-son.
It's about comparison, "comparing spiritual with spiritual".

Law is spiritual, but it's spiritual perversion, spiritual abuse.
Grace is also spiritual, but it's never perverted nor abusive.

Law is good, but it's "both good and evil" ends bad: "evil".
Grace is also good, but it's never ever "evil", good "only".
(God saw only good x 6, very good 7th time in Genesis 1)

Law is holy, but it's also among "unholy" in 2Timothy 3.
Grace is also holy, but it's never among unholy things.
Rather when your grace us, it's "from such turn away".
When we all turn away from such evil(law) it vanishes:

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Daniel Miles
Founder of www.GodShew.Org
www leader for 'Allegoric Mystery'

Hi!
Check out the new website I am building. Maybe you would like to add a link to show people how wrong I am?
www.geocities.com/a-cpaul@sbcglobal.net

Dear AC-Paul,

Grace & Peace unto YOU from God & Son Unlimited.

I looked at yer web site, and it's full of holes.
"Ye do err" (greatly and alway); Forgetting...
Forget Son of man should repent: Numbers 23:19?
Forget Son of man has twoedged mouth: Rev 1:16?
Forget Word of God is sharper(not sharp): Heb 4:12?
Forget Son of man vengeful(not merciful): Luke 17?
Forget Peter is called "Satan": Matthew 16:23?
Forget Peter is told to get converted: Lk 22:32?
Forget Peter got converted by Paul's epistles: 2Pet3?

Not to mention Law vs Law is as Loser vs Loser; For any kingdom "divided against itself" falls to ruin.

So "go ye and learn what meaneth" Hosea 6:6,
repeated in Matthew 9:13 as a "go" figure.
Then come and perhaps we can reason together.

And why are you AFRAID to have discussion? Aren't you getting a little old to be afraid? What's more silly: a child afraid of the dark, or an adult afraid of the light? Ye (do still err) are the latter end "worse", spoken of by JC in Matthew 9:16 ... 12:45 ... 23:15 ... 27:64; And by Paul in 1Corinthians 11:17 ... 2Timothy 3:13; And by Peter in 2Peter 2:20.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Danny,
Please tell me the holes? You talk a good talk, but never say anything. Give me solid proof from the words of Jesus that my points (lot more to come) are full of holes. My points are backed up by scripture. Not just one, but many. I guess what Jesus taught His followers while in the flesh was a mistake. He had to come back in the spirit to right His wrong with that Mithra Hitman Paul. Jesus just could not get it right the first time, Eh! I think someone has holes in their head. But seriously, You are not a spring chicken anymore and time is running out. Please think about this. Jesus said nobody would believe Him, but someone was soon coming on their own authority and all would believe him. Everybody but a few believe Paul over Jesus. Only Paul and his sidekick Luke claim Paul was an apostle, when scripture tells us he can not be period. Who the bloody hell do you think Jesus is warning us about? It does not take a pocket protector to figure out it is Paul, when it is being so plainly pointed out to you. Is it you really don't see or you really don't want to see? You think Paul makes it easy. Jesus makes it easy. Paul only promises liberty, then makes you a slave to sin again. Apostle Peter makes this statement against Paul. Wake up Danny. The blood of everyone who believes your lies will be on your hands. This is something neither law nor grace can save you from. It takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong than to prove himself right. I was a christian for many years and believed the nonsense they taught. I WAS WRONG and changed. PAUL IS WRONG and YOU ARE WRONG. Change and live. Don't breath your dying breath promoting that moster Paul. Jesus gives your real life and real freedom. Jesus tells you how not to sin, not that sin does not exist anymore, Jesus says repent, you are forgiven, go and SIN NO MORE. Paul says what you say....I can not sin because there is no law anymore. This is a lie and this leads only to the second death, the eternal death of your spirit.

Dear AntiChrist,

Grace & Peace unto YOU from God & Son Unlimited.

You're hung up on Jesus & temporal salvation, when told to go on to Christ & eternal salvation.

Jesus: was made under the law, and of woman
Christ: is the end of the law, and transgression
Ye are not under law(Jesus), but under grace(Christ)

Jesus: cursed every one, by hanging on a tree: Law
Christ: blessed every one, by do will of God: Grace
E-life of e-salvation is "through Jesus --> Christ".

Even Jesus said you don't mix old & new: Lk 5:36,37

Do the will of God preceeds receive the promise.

Twice fallen requires twice risen for reconciliation.
Jesus is risen to "on high". Christ is risen "higher".
Wickedness (law vs law) occurs in "high" places.
Endless off-tune harping is from high-mindead.
They're always playing the blame game.
Such inducts players in hall of shame.

But hey, it's your right to remain ignorant.
And it's God's right to get it: understanding.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.