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Re: CVH1

Goes to show how this small sad little man knows nothing about Irish buses. CVH 1 was new in 1986 Bus Eireann was formed in 1987. How was it Bus Eireanns first new coach? TE1 was Bus Eireanns first new coach in 1988. Not that you care but the TEs are dropping like flies. If you are the self appointed patron saint of Irish bus preservation what are you doing about it?

Re: CVH1

CVH 1 being the first coach bought by Bus Eireann and not an inherited asset transfered to Bus Eireann is technically true , although they were delivered new to CIE they were only on lease in 1986 , on the formation of Bus Eireann in 1987 the company entered negotiations with Van Hool to purchase both the 35 CVH's and 15 EVH's which was completed in the 3rd quarter on 87 while the tender proccess for the TE's was ongoing.
TE 1 was the first bus to be ordered by and delivered NEW to Bus Eireann , but not the first bus bought by them as they also aquired the remaining stock of the defunct G.A.C. factory at shannon in 1987 which they had to assemble themselfs KR 206 - 225 along with demonstrator KR 226 with the Cummins engine which had been on trial in the UK at the time G.A.C, went into liquidation. They also began aquiring ex-Ulsterbus vehicles for school work in late 87
However the TE's are about to disappear completely in the comming weeks along with the remaining PD's and PL's

Re: CVH1

Another Herman inspired Kells response.

GAC was wound up in 1986 and CIE had bought and stockpiled the KRs.

The Van Hools were leased from the Arlington motor comapny in 1986 and were bought at the end of their 3 year lease in 1989.

As I stated CVH1 was not the first COACH, TE1 was.

Get your facts correct or dont bother.

Re: CVH1 was the first coach.

We are splitting hairs. CVH 1 was the first REAL coach delivered to CIE/Bus Eireann and was the start of a long line. I really do not regard TE 1 as a coach at all as she was merely an express bus.

In any event CVH 1 predates TE 1 of which there is no doubt. In terms of legislation anything that was CIE was transferred to Bus Eireann and therefore whether she was CIE or Bus Eireann is legally immaterial as they were one continuous entity.

Michael Grimes

Re: CVH1 was the first coach.

You are just twisting things to suit yourself as usual because if we use logic the surely PL1-10 or PL11-40 or the WVH/LVH classes were the first 'real coach'.

Fact of the matter remains that you see this hobby as another mad thing that you do were you think that the more buses you have it makes you better than everyone else.

I take it if you are friends with Bus Eireann now then you are dropping your court case?

Re: CVH1 was the first coach.

If you check the registration details of the final batch of KR's you will find that they have 87 D XXXX registrations , these were units which were unfinished at the time of the GAC liquidation which were aquired by Bus Eireann in 1987 and they had to have the assembly completed themselfs , this is on the offical record somewhere (I'm still looking as there is a vast amount of information to look through)
To further split hairs over CVH 1 as a CIE asset that became Bus Eireann property on in Febuary 1987 it would have been numerically the lowest numbered coach in the fleet that was not assigned to schools (I think there were still a number of former C class coaches (the final batch from Galway I think) still knocking about in schools services)so it would have been the first coach to have its ownership papers transfered to Bus Eireann , hence becomming its first coach (by a matter of seconds possibly)