If there was no treasure in it how do you know it was beal"s vault? What happend to the treasure, were the rocks intact over the vault entrance? If they were I doubt anyone would remove treasure and then replace the stones, it wouldnt make any difference to them at that point.
Brief answers to your questions concerning the vault:
1)Vault located by decoding the cipher.
2)Vault was opened prior to us locating it.
3)Over a period of time mother nature reclaimed
the site, surrounding debris and vegetation were
the only cover.
Mar 11, 2004 - 3:50AM
Re: beal vault?
what does the loud nerve ending music on your homepage have to do with the treasure?
being as that you deciphered the code maybe you could explain to me the method and code source you used to decipher it.i have never looked or even been to those parts but have done alot of reading on the subject.any insight would be appreciated and proven..thnk u...
Mar 11, 2004 - 10:48AM
Re: Website music.
Just a short comment in response to Nino's post regarding the site's music.
The only part of the music I'd agree was somewhat nerve jangling, is at the very start (which can admittedly make you jump if you aren't expecting it), however I'd have to say that many's the time I have left the site with that tune rattling around in my head and I'm therefore of the opinion that it has become something of a theme tune for the site!
I am just wondering if you have totally excavated the sight...Have you hit bottom?
From the foto it does not appear that you have gone deep enough.
I understand you are just giving us snippets but I would be interested to see the deepest foto
Also you stated that some assorted items were found in/around the site. Care to elaborate?
I feel obligated to tell you just how STUPID it feels for me to have asked DUMB questions when the answer is more than adequately located within your Nice website.
You have gone through a tremendous amount of effort whether or not you have located the true Beale sight.
It certainly appears that you may well have found the true sight.
Again sorry for my stupidity, gary
I see that you have cracked the codes. What is the key? How did you go about solving the codes? My first viewings resulted in only the claim of solving the ciphers. I finally found your deciphered text. I'm still a bit skeptical about whether or not you found the actual key or not and if this is actually a picture of the vault. If you could provide insight on how you were able to crack the codes, I would love to know.
Jul 31, 2004 - 8:28PM
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im getting older by the year so,heres secret that you can prove or disprove by yourself The key was never meant to be discovered The key is 3D resolution
get an opaque projetor an blow the numbers up to about 6 feet using a white back ground in a darkend room but make sure your eyes are adjusted at least 15 minutes its been a long while since i used the projector you wont believe your eyes i think it was number two that has a 3D flat hand with a key in it and a fisted hand in combination giving the international sign of the finger you will also see a violin from top to bottom of the numbers so dont just sit there go see for yourself the key is buried in a bottled the codes are from 1850 up so that changes the meaning of 1832 and there are more than on vault each vault is marked there is no single document to decipher the codes ,how can i say that? well,heres a hint and please think beale or whomever said without the aid of a Key PUNCTILLIO comes into play it should read without th aid of a (K)not key but K ....and also whomever said the candle would actually it should be KENDAL W. B worth the game try this with a K beale.... ever since leaving BLEAK HOUSE read it and 68 other books and poems and you to will know the secrets TOM
Aug 2, 2004 - 12:06AM
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some how ive connected the pealta stone to beal those stones are in Arizona
the one with the she devil on the stairs
ive found the heart and the donkey
the stairs are dated 1847 ONCE AGAIN READ THE BLEAK HOUSE(ever sin ce lea ving ) TOM
Aug 2, 2004 - 9:18PM
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i forgot to say that in order for the 3D to work you must use the papers and numbers from the library in Virginia, in order to get the right sequence you will be ....just like the letter said undoubtedly surprised.and the part about roughly lined with stone is not true as a matter in fact the vault is glazed tile green and brown and the type of tiles weren't used until the civil war period in history. there are several vaults on the eastern side of the
Nov 15, 2004 - 2:58PM
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Tom, If you really know something spit it out. I can't make heads or tales of your messages...
Steven, please can you satisfy all our burning curiosities by explaining in graphic detail how the code was cracked?
Perhaps by adding this additional material to the website?
I have "back engineered" the letters in the solved cipher, putting them in order but I get no sense out of it, and some numbers are used for more than one letter.
Please, please put us out of our misery!
is the code cracked or not???? i think this is just a scam to advertise, and boost your hit count. this has been my hobby for years, and i don't think a 3d projector was at beales disposal! if you can't tell us what key you used then i can't tell you what was in that vault 15 years ago!
IF THE VAULT IS FOUND AND OPENED THEN WITH ALL THE POPULARITY OF THIS MYSTERY HOW COME ITS NOT MADE AVAILIABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE IF THE TREASURE IS GONE WOULDNT IT MAKE A GREAT CONCLUSION TO A 100 PLUS YEAR OLD STORY ...LETS SEE PROOF
I am looking for the web master to e-mail me. I have worked in encryption and decoding and i have stumbled upon some new information that changes the whole idea of where the site of the vault(s) are and still concurr most information found with my own, but with slight differences. i live in Va and would like to chat before i visit my calculations of site(s)
The bealesolved site gives a translation for the last part of C1; the one that begins "nineteen is the distance south...". If the actual solution is supposed to be simple substition (each code represents a letter), then they haven't given enough information or haven't solved it.
You get the following translation for C1 based on their text (where '.' is a code not identified because the full text wasn't given by bealesolved). Obviously this isn't the correct data...
The site has "pointtopoint" listed at the end which I wasn't clear whether that was part of the intended translation or not; adding that yields a translation:
Nope......thats not how it was encoded in the cipher.
The LAST paragraph in the cipher was coded in the same fashion as a masonic ritual, the ritual format was then encoded into a grid cipher.
A quick example of ritual format: NT IS T DIST S
I'm out of the country at this time, when I return I'll update this site with additional text.
Thanks for visiting!
Joe K. Crump
Jun 10, 2005 - 5:45AM
Re: beal vault?
OK. So just to clarify. You are confirming there was (and still is) not enough information given to verify the proposed solution.
I'm giving it an honest assessment for the benefit of anyone reading.
What is needed is the exact steps a person would take to decode the cipher, not the final plaintext and vague hints.
Also one would expect the entropy of the data involved in the steps (such as substitution values) would be much less than the message itself. Otherwise you essentially have a one-time-pad style translation and there's no way to verify it. For one could create any such set of steps with similar entropy to create a similar resulting message.
You have 30 ltrs of the "Nineteen/Distance" run.
If you want to increase that to 80 ltrs, contact me.
I will try for the full 520, but to do so I need the
basic info that you started with, and then will apply Masonic grid technique.
Yes, I would like to know something! Why is it that the Cryptograms on your web page is different then the REAL Cryptograms at the Military Libary? And For one, I really don't believe that you found it! Your numbers are off on the Cryptograms how long do you think you can post such things up until someone really smart recognizes the mistakes? ANYONE can take pictures of that rock, and mark it in red, and also take pictures of the items u supposeably found,those items can be found in a museum!
The idea of a simple solution to C1 (such as 18 is E, 216 is N) is unlikely. Vast computer banks have assaulted C1 and failed. Far more likely is the Masonic grid (tic-tac-toe) version. If you have not
worked on Green's method, here is a big head start:
Grid 58 uses 17-736-11 (lft. col.), 84-820-60 (mid
col) and 221-214-760 (rt col). To these, apply Keying #s 4592, 229, 778. They produce 4609-5328-4603 (L), 313-1049-289 (C), and 999-992-1538 (R). This spells out THM J. BEALL for Grid # 58. Of great importance for credibility is the 5328 as J. We can call Thomas
Jefferson's D of I the 1776 document, and 1776 x 3 is exactly 5328. That's just too perfect to be accident.
In Grid 57, use Key 380 on 213-96-10 to get Lft col. 593-476-390, then Key 558 on 71-202-2 to get Mid col. 629-760-560, and Key 209 to get 296-244-250 (on R). This spells out FE CAPTAIN. The fragment FE could be SAFE or LIFE. I am pressing on with them in Grid 56. So there you have Green's starter hints. Another one is that Grid 1 is a date: DEC. SECOND does work. Oh,
the 71 in C1 is also the # of wds in paragraph 1 of the DOI, just as C3 and Signed names (part 3) of DOI both come to 618 ltrs. Bye for now. LEW