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Re: Re: If law "inexcusable", did Jesus condemn himself by law imputing sin? |
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Daniel Miles |
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Mar 24, 08 - 9:56 AM |
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Dear AC Paul (AntiChrist Paul),
Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm not trying to make Jesus, or you, or anyone bad. For as I've noted to you before, I would not want to be right(divided) to make anyone wrong(left); Since this would be a blame game that inducts all players into a hall of shame. Rather I'm looking at the "inexcusable" aspect of law judging mentioned in Romans 2, which seems to also condemn & penalize those who law judge others. When they law impute sin to make others 'sinners', perhaps it also makes them sinners, thereby law is "inexcusable", no accuse others and excuse me by law. For "there is no respect of persons with God", whether God is perceived as Law or as Grace. What applies to any applies to all. That is a constant biblical theme mentioned more than a dozen times from 2Chronciles to 1Peter; And James 2:1 says: My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons; Which concurs with what Paul says, to Jews & Gentiles.
http://www.godshew.org/Partiality.html
With respect to "Jesus", it is plausible he is not law judging, but rather teaching about law jugdment; Especially about how any breach of any law is as if a breach of all the law. Paul & James seem to concur.
Yet Jesus seems to play two parts: Son of Man and Son of God, which sometimes contradict each another, with accusation vs no accusation; And even as Son of God, Jesus seems to be Son of God "on high", rather than Son of God in heaven: "higher than the heavens"; Also standing rather than seated right of God. So I'm saying it may require looking closer at all the details, to solve the (allegoric) mystery thereof.
I'm looking at the "allegory" & "mystery" aspect of it all, scriptures written for our "learning"; Not for accusation or condemnation of any, but rather for the sake of awareness & understanding. For God did not send his Son to condemn (law) the world, but that through him (through Jesus-->Christ) the world might be saved (graced & truthed): John 1:17 & 3:17. The word "through", being oft mentioned, seems to allegorically denote a passage, or a change, or a conversion, as if going "through" a door, way, from life + death(added) to eternal life(only); As if from grace + law(added) to grace(only).
http://www.godshew.org/through.htm
I'm not adverse to good works resulting from a conversion from law to grace; Rather as Paul seems to say to (depressed) Timothy, keep the good (grace) and let go of the bad (law) works. For law seems to be both good and evil, but grace is good only. Law seems to be corruptible, but grace is incorruptible. Law seems to be non eternal, but grace is eternal.
The only judgment I perceive from "merciful" God is that all are "approved" by grace finds no fault, and none are approved by law is fault-finding, even of itself. So Paul finds it "evident" from all the evidence: "that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God": Galatians 3:12. Perhaps not even the man Jesus. For "the law is not of faith": Galatains 3:11; And whatsoever is "not of faith" is sin: Romans 14:23. So, I'm just trying to connect all the biblical dots, and to "learn" from doing such "what meaneth I will have mercy, and not sacrifice". For as Translators of the Bible noted to readers, it's preposterous order to teach first and learn afterward. So I try not to teach, but rather share what I have learned, in as grace us a manner as possible.
AC, I can't say I've ever thought as you do, that Paul is AntiChrist; But I can say I used to be as zealous for the law as you are. But I found law to be destructive, rather than constructive; Or both constructive and destructive afterward. Grace is constructive only, never destructive; As God is merciful only (Luke 6:36), not merciful & merciless, nor ever merciless. Only mercy is obtainable at the "throne of grace": Hebrews 4:16, which seems to be "higher" than "on high" where both mercy and vengeance occur, also (left/right)division and partiality, notably via the Son of Man (Jesus).
As for "Christ Jesus" (reverse of Jesus Christ), I find CJ only occurs from Acts to Peter; Not used in the four gospel accounts, nor in Revelation. I find Paul uses both CJ & JC, but always clarifies he's an apostle of JC by the will of God; Opens & closes his epistles with JC, opening with "the Lord JC" and closing with "our Lord JC". For Paul notes to Timothy: "all who will godly in CJ shall suffer persecution": 2Timothy 3:12. So Paul writes to CJ people, but notably as a JC person, noting JC is the only foundation laid to build on: 1Corinthians 3:11; Also noting eternal life & peace with God are "through J-->C", "in Christ" thereof: And that reconciling the world, to and by that God unto himself, is done "in Christ", not in Jesus, who brought "division" and not peace. "Christ" is our peace, who abolished the law, thereby bringing an end to law vs law & law vs grace divisions. Peace(rest) is the absence of division(unrest).
Even God cannot be one by division, but is one by unity of the Spirit, notably the Spirit of Grace. God and Son are also one; And the Son of God prays we also may be one, and God and Son are one.
So it seems Jesus first took grace + law(added) and made it grace or law: "division": "either make the tree good (grace) or corrupt (law)". But Jesus also accused some of being "sinners": Matthew 9:13, contrary to John 5:45 (I will not accuse you); And to do such he had to invoke the law (only the law imputes sin), which then condemns all to death, by concluding them all in unbelief, none righteous, no, not one. But God is one, also God & Son are one, so such would make God and Son unrighteous; And God did not send his Son to bring us condemntion or death; But rather God sent his Son to bring us grace, and truth, and eternal life, which is notably "through Jesus-->Christ", notably "in Christ" thereof.
So it seems being reconciled to Jesus is as being reconciled to death (by law), but being reconciled to Christ is as being reconciled to life (by grace): Romans 5:10. Of the two mentions of "reconciled", one is notably "much more", or the "more excellent way" spoken of by Paul: 1Corinthians 12:31; And both reconcileds would be as an oxymoron, with the first being as extinction (by law), not salvation (by grace and truth).
AC, I'm not trying to 'ignore' anything, but rather daring to compare things: "Comparing spiritual things with spiritual", and the only two things "spiritual" to compare are Law vs Grace, "contrary" things: contrary one to the other: Galatians 5:17; And contrary things cannot co-exist in peace. But Christ is our peace, who abolished the law: Ephesians 2:13-15; And God is the author of peace(rest), not the author of confusion(unrest): 1Corinthians 14:33.
As for judgment, we are to judge righteous judgment, not unrighteous judgment of law, which condemns all.
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen. |
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